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Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by boring_twenties »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #4

" Modern cars regularly send basic data about vehicle components, their safety status and service schedules to car manufacturers, and mobile phones work in very similar ways." -Google This is a beautiful quote because it is an example of one industry's bad behavior leading to another industry's bad behavior, upon which the first industry then users the second's similarity to justify themselves. Cars only started doin…

OT, but since you mentioned it, does anyone happen to know what the most recent model years without any kind of cellular radio might be?

In a similar vein, can the radios be physically removed from any newer cars without the car complaining about it?

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by oblio »

mason55 wrote: post #126
svara wrote: post #65

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I can't help but feel like having it this way is breaking one of the huge reasons that made computers so absurdly exciting and enticing in the past. The fact that there was this wide open field, where, sure, maybe you paid Microsoft for the OS, but then the rest was up to you. Trade shareware CDs, install stuff from the internet, type in code from a book or whatever, it felt like an infinite open field of possibiliti…

You can still do all those things on a computer. And now it’s so easy to put up a web app that I’d argue barriers are much, much lower than when you had to figure out how to get your physical software distributed. The goals of “keep grandpa from getting his life savings stolen by malicious software” and “allow a power user to do whatever they want” can literally never be solved by the same device. If there’s any way…

This is false.

Windows used to be a sieve. The infection rates and general abuse Windows received went down by orders of magnitude once they added UAC and the default malware scanner/antivirus.

And they didn't need to lock down everything, completely.

The rest is an easy money grab from the OS vendors who obviously don't want to remain "dumb pipes".

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by jp0d »

There is no point defending Apple or Google. Both of them probably collect data. Personally I'd be more comfortable with Apple collecting my data as they don't have an Advertisement based model. They've less incentives to use our data, whereas Google's business is based around that very idea! Apple advocates privacy and has made many features available as part of the IOS to enable very granular level control.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by grishka »

jodrellblank wrote: post #218
yellow_postit wrote: post #164

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I can also easily load PDFs and other formats to a Kindle even if I didn’t go through the Amazon store.

And you can easily load PDFs and music onto an iPhone/iPad without going through the Apple store or iTunes store. So they're even and that's good enough for Kindle therefore it's good enough for iOS, right? Oh wait, on top, iOS has an app store so you can do more, so that's a win for iOS? And the app store can have free apps on it where Apple take no money, but still review and curate for some minimum standards of qu…

> but still review and curate for some minimum standards of quality

It would've been fine if they only reviewed apps for "quality". Unfortunately, they also review the services that apps connect to, and the policies of these services.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by thatcat »

boring_twenties wrote: post #221
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #4

" Modern cars regularly send basic data about vehicle components, their safety status and service schedules to car manufacturers, and mobile phones work in very similar ways." -Google This is a beautiful quote because it is an example of one industry's bad behavior leading to another industry's bad behavior, upon which the first industry then users the second's similarity to justify themselves. Cars only started doin…

OT, but since you mentioned it, does anyone happen to know what the most recent model years without any kind of cellular radio might be? In a similar vein, can the radios be physically removed from any newer cars without the car complaining about it?

Depends on the package you opt for, but I'd guess up to 2011 for cars without onstar

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Post by anoncake »

memetomancer wrote: post #176
harry8 wrote: post #163

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This is such a nonsense justification. You want to sell software you wrote to run on an iphone. You have zero choice. Apple tax your revenue. You want to sell software you wrote to run on a pc. Steam is not your only choice. I am not defending steam or valve here, I've never sold anything using their stuff, nor am I suggesting anything other than that their market power over pc compared to apple's store over the ipho…

Are you implying that you feel entitled to sell software on Apple's tightly controlled consumer devices?

They are entitled to sell software on Apple customer's devices.

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Post by filoleg »

heavyset_go wrote: post #117
AlexandrB wrote: post #24

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This may be pedantic, but Steam was collecting its 30% long before the App Store opened. Thought maybe that was inspired by Apple's cut of music revenues in the iTunes Store.

I could walk into Best Buy and buy the game I want off the shelf. I have no such option if I want to buy an iOS app from a store or the developers themselves. Steam also don't engage in anti-competitive behavior and prevent billions of people from using alternative game distribution methods like Apple does. What we need is real competition in the mobile app distribution market to determine whether or not that 30% is…

>I could walk into Best Buy and buy the game I want off the shelf.

If you try doing it for any PC games released over the past decade, you are more likely than not gonna have a disk with some installable files and a Steam code in the box. Without that Steam code, there is no way for you to play the game.

At this point, there isn't any difference between buying directly from Steam, as opposed to "walking into Best Buy and buying the game you want off the shelf".

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by oblio »

memetomancer wrote: post #176
harry8 wrote: post #163

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This is such a nonsense justification. You want to sell software you wrote to run on an iphone. You have zero choice. Apple tax your revenue. You want to sell software you wrote to run on a pc. Steam is not your only choice. I am not defending steam or valve here, I've never sold anything using their stuff, nor am I suggesting anything other than that their market power over pc compared to apple's store over the ipho…

Are you implying that you feel entitled to sell software on Apple's tightly controlled consumer devices?

Why shouldn't he? When did we decide to let Nintendo, pardon me, Apple, dictate our digital lives?

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https://www.filfre.net/2016/04/generation-nintendo/

> In a landmark ruling against Tengen in March of 1991, Judge Fern Smith stated that Nintendo had the right to “exclude others” from the NES if they so chose, thus providing the legal soil on which many more walled gardens would be tilled in the years to come.

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The simple fact that Apple feels they have to enforce this proves they're afraid. If they > that their model is absolutely superior, they'd just let people choose.

But if they do that, they'll lose tens of billions of dollars in revenue. So it's not about "security" or whatever, it's just about money.

This is the same company that nickels and dimes every Lightning cable maker to the tune of several billions of dollars, when USB C has been around for many years.

The same company that removed the headphone jack for bogus reasons just to create a market for wireless headphones, worth several billion dollars.

I could go on and on and on about their anti-competitive and anti-consumer practices.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by anoncake »

sosborn wrote: post #191
echelon wrote: post #180

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> The 30% cut was considered very good at the time. It was way better than the 50-90% cut that traditional publishers would take. Why didn't Steve Jobs go with web distribution of first class web apps or allow Flash on his platform? If they truly wanted to be remarkable, this would have been the future. The answer is control. Apple is a cutthroat business just like any other, and their "privacy first" veneer is just…

> Why didn't Steve Jobs go with web distribution of first class web apps That was exactly his intent when he announced the iPhone, and he got absolutely obliterated by the internet for it.

*exactly what he claimed was his intent. There's no way Steve Jobs cared so little about quality he thought web apps were preferable.

Re: Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS

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Post by insert_coin »

harry8 wrote: post #219
insert_coin wrote: post #208

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Let me fix this. Microsoft did worse, they did charge more than 30% to everyone that published software for the xbox. People with skin in the game, game publishers, game developers, mobile app developers for nokia, blackberry, samsung, motorola, etc, considered Apple taking "only" 30% to be an excellent deal at the time. It was so good in fact, almost all other store splits collapsed shortly thereafter to the same 30…

You don't think there was a range of views. And anyone who disagreed with your view had no skin in the game and so can be ignored. I disagree with that.

I know there was a range of views. I'm pointing out not all opinions have the same weight.
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