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Elon Musk’s anti-union tweet from 2018 must be deleted: U.S. labor board

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Post by jakelazaroff »

pmichaud wrote: post #202
jakelazaroff wrote: post #68

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Tesla’s CEO is the richest human on the planet and we’re worried about workers taking too much? If Elon’s stressing over sustainability, let him take the pay cut.

This comment seems really confused. It seems like you think Musk is “the richest human” in terms of liquid cash, and that that abundance of liquidity came from Tesla profits that could have been divvied up among the employees. Is that right?

No, I assume a significant amount is Tesla stock. Which could be used as compensation for workers, if Elon weren’t threatening to withhold it to prevent them from unionizing.

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Post by jakelazaroff »

mlindner wrote: post #127
jakelazaroff wrote: post #68

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Tesla’s CEO is the richest human on the planet and we’re worried about workers taking too much? If Elon’s stressing over sustainability, let him take the pay cut.

He gets no salary already. He's paid only in stock.

Workers can also be compensated with stock.

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Post by vultour »

villgax wrote: post #85

people need to look at the AmazonNews twitter handle, spews corpo BS at every turn almost like some intern got hold of that account

I just found out about that account yesterday and it took me a minute to realise it’s not an onion spinoff.

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Post by [deleted] »

eru wrote: post #120
jakelazaroff wrote: post #40

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Individual employees have every bit as adversarial a relationship to management as union members. They just have much less bargaining power.

What do you mean by less bargaining power? As an individual I feel like I have relatively more bargaining power, because when eg talking about pay I just need to convince the company to bump one total comp package, mine. So I can negotiate much more aggressively and get more done, then someone who tried to get the company to raise thousands of pay packages. Also, I have an easy time convincing the company that I am l…

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Post by shmageggy »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #209
kome wrote: post #204

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holy fucking shit... https://twitter.com/AmazonNews you are right. woah. they are scared. they are really scared. it's like amazon entire business model is based on exploitation of labor.

>it's like amazon entire business model is based on exploitation of labor Wait till you find out how the electronics and clothes in your house are made and how the materials they're made from are sourced or what the workforce that picks the fruit and vegetables you see in the supermarket, endures. It is rarely (never?) discussed in the west how all the consumer goods are cheap simply because the supply chain relies o…

> rarely (never?) discussed in the west

I don't know, I see it talked about all the time, but nobody seems to be able to do anything about it.

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

foepys wrote: post #216
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #214

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> In Germany, there are a lot of so called 'hidden champions' - companies that are small but focus on some higher end, niche products, e.g. oil filters,special purpose ball bearings,etc. Which is great, but manufacturing those products doesn't generate the kind of cashflow or global influence that US tech companies generate. Curious how many people here praising these hidden champions has worked for or wishes to work…

Not everybody can rake in billions each year. It's perfectly fine for a company to make a few good quality wares that sell well in a niche. Somebody has to make air filters, lighting, brake pads, ropes, etc., you know? By your logic everybody should just try to become a tech mega corp and use VC until they set the latest trend or die. There is a lot of arrogance here on HN.

>By your logic everybody should just try to become a tech mega corp and use VC until they set the latest trend or die.

Except that's not what I said. I said, competing in a market making widgets is not as desirable for a modern country/economy/company/employee vs one that exports software and innovation, like the US, as manufacturing, more often than not turns into a race to the bottom of reducing costs and I don't want to work in such an industry anymore since I saw how the sausage is made and I have goals in life that are not compatible with working in manufacturing.

>There is a lot of arrogance here on HN. >Somebody has to make air filters, lighting, brake pads, ropes, etc., you know?

Would you like to be this 'somebody' working in a factory making oil-filters or would you rather be in a a high demand, high paying job?

This is what's funny to me about the HN crowd. Saying they won't take jobs in Embedded Software/Hardware or the Video-Games industry because WLB is poor and it "pays peanuts" but at the same time preaching that 'someone' should work making stuff in factories, where salaries and WLB is actually poor. Not them of course, but 'someone' should do it.

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Post by capableweb »

shmageggy wrote: post #225
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #209

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>it's like amazon entire business model is based on exploitation of labor Wait till you find out how the electronics and clothes in your house are made and how the materials they're made from are sourced or what the workforce that picks the fruit and vegetables you see in the supermarket, endures. It is rarely (never?) discussed in the west how all the consumer goods are cheap simply because the supply chain relies o…

> rarely (never?) discussed in the west I don't know, I see it talked about all the time, but nobody seems to be able to do anything about it.

> nobody seems to be able to do anything about it.

Nobody seems to want to do something about it. It's easy, vote with your wallet. But since the choice is either A) help humanity by stop buying cheap consumer electronics or B) don't get any cheap consumer electronics to make your day 0.5% better, it seems we're stuck in exploiting humanity.

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Post by JBSmoove »

Jonnax wrote: post #167
missedthecue wrote: post #123

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They pretty beautifully baited Sen. Elizabeth Warren into running her mouth today. She wrote - " I'll fight to break up Big Tech so you’re not powerful enough to heckle senators with snotty tweets. " If she brings an anti-trust suit against them, it will be so easy for Amazon's lawyers to argue that she is only doing so to violate their first amendment rights, which she full out admitted to today.

They baited Warren by lying about the fact that Amazon warehouse / delivery employees have to urinate in bottles to meet deadlines? The tweets from their account caused significant negative press for Amazon on news and social media across the world. Amazon is a global company, this kind of disdain for employees isn't looked upon as favourably in other countries. It's bad for business. Especially from an official PR c…

I don't care who was "baited"

A US Senator threatening to retaliate and break-up a business because she didn't like tweets about her is straight-up authoritarian thuggery.

It's the same shit Trump used to do but when Liz does it...well it's GREAT, she's "fighting for the working class"

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Post by oarsinsync »

capableweb wrote: post #228
shmageggy wrote: post #225

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> rarely (never?) discussed in the west I don't know, I see it talked about all the time, but nobody seems to be able to do anything about it.

> nobody seems to be able to do anything about it. Nobody seems to want to do something about it. It's easy, vote with your wallet. But since the choice is either A) help humanity by stop buying cheap consumer electronics or B) don't get any cheap consumer electronics to make your day 0.5% better, it seems we're stuck in exploiting humanity.

Not sure how buying expensive consumer electronics helps either, given how the excess profits continue to be captured rather than fairly distributed. There's even case studies celebrating these COOs turned CEOs for how well they've "optimised" their supply chains.
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