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Re: Gnome 40

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That's the way it is when you depend on volunteers, they work on things when they feel like it. A solution would be to pay for a company-supported distro. Some were mentioned in other comments here.

> a company-supported distro Oh, you mean like the one from Red Hat?

Yeah that's one of them. If you don't like the RHEL desktop you can choose another vendor.

Re: Gnome 40

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Most Gnome developers, I suppose, are on RedHat payroll and are not teenage. They are busy working on various things, this is certain, and these things are apparently more important for them. Like, well, GTK4. I suppose most Red Hat customers are corporate, and when they ask for featureful Linux desktop, they likely mean playing nice with corporate systems. This is why Evince is such a good PDF viewer, compared to a…

> Most Gnome developers, I suppose, are on RedHat payroll and are not teenage. jwz was not talking about the age, he was talking about the issue of ignoring bugs to the point where they reach decades old, and often even then persist and go unfixed. Some bugs live multiple decades, across three different issue trackers, having to be reopened each time. The fun fact is that he wrote this in 2003, about the GNOME develo…

This article has so little substance that I wish people would stop re-posting it. It adds nothing to the discussion. Like yeah, there are bug reports that haven't been addressed. Developers come and go and sometimes have to leave before they get to work out all the bugs in their feature(s). It happens. Every big open source project is like that. The bug tracker is open so that anyone can submit bug reports. The downside is that it tends to fill up with unsolicited bug reports that don't get responses. The upside is that anyone in or outside the project can volunteer to fix any of those bugs. I don't see JWZ stepping up to triage random bugs in GNOME, probably because he knows it's a thankless job with no pay that he wouldn't enjoy.

Re: Gnome 40

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I would like to thank the Gnome community for this release! I can't wait to upgrade to Fedora 34 to use it. I use Mac OS daily on my work computer and Gnome daily on my personal computer. Yes, I know there are a lot of Linux open source applications that are not very polished, but the quality in Gnome and its core applications is extremely high. There are even some things that Gnome does better than Mac OS. Now, you…

GNOME is the default desktop for nearly every major Linux distribution. It's the desktop that nearly everyone experiences if they decide to give Linux a try. As such its shortcomings are much more apparent than for something like, say, Xfce that you have to go out of your way to experience. My frustrations with GNOME are not about polish, they're about reliability. Users don't care about polish when they update their…

It is the default because it is deemed the most feature-complete and stable. Unfortunately not being too stable is all-around true of linux desktop (though I really like the recent trend with wayland - many previously hacky parts just work now!)

Re: Gnome 40

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Giving something away for free doesn't mean that no one can criticize it. It's a severe shortcoming, it's been there for over a decade, and no obligated to fix it but that doesn't mean anybody is obligated to stop complaining about it either.

It may be time to look elsewhere if the complaints are unanswered for more than a decade; they're probably being directed towards the wrong people. That's an obligation you may want to hold yourself to, if you value your own time and don't want to spend another decade repeating yourself to those who won't listen.

It kind of depends: I don't use GNOME, but AFAIK both Chrom(ium) and Firefox use GTK and so use the broken file dialog regardless. "Go use something else" is a valid suggestion, but only when you can use something else.

Re: Gnome 40

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> Most Gnome developers, I suppose, are on RedHat payroll and are not teenage. jwz was not talking about the age, he was talking about the issue of ignoring bugs to the point where they reach decades old, and often even then persist and go unfixed. Some bugs live multiple decades, across three different issue trackers, having to be reopened each time. The fun fact is that he wrote this in 2003, about the GNOME develo…

This article has so little substance that I wish people would stop re-posting it. It adds nothing to the discussion. Like yeah, there are bug reports that haven't been addressed. Developers come and go and sometimes have to leave before they get to work out all the bugs in their feature(s). It happens. Every big open source project is like that. The bug tracker is open so that anyone can submit bug reports. The downs…

The idea of "unsolicited bug reports" is lovely.

Re: Gnome 40

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I also want them to just make it so I can right click and create a new empty file. Linux is file based right? If I right click on a opened folder I want to create a file.

You can do that, make a folder called Templates and put your templates in there. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding.

I thought that was only on KDE...

Re: Gnome 40

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Your question is valid (and I have the same one) but this is about as uncharitable a thing to say as you can, especially without providing evidence/examples: > I guess they want to obfuscate as much as possible and dumb things down for users like they have been doing for close to a decade. The Gnome project has done an enormous amount to push the open source and free desktop forward. The least we can do is not impute…

I strongly disagree: the gnome project and the systemd mess are both severely damaging Linux. The good thing, though, is that KDE Plasma seems to have recovered nicely from the KDE 3->4 mess.

Yeah I also want to use a system for servers where critical functionality depends on goddamn bash scripts that will regularly break. I also enjoy hunting down bugs in each distro that does things just a tiny bit differently...

Central design is somewhat restrictive but a bazaar style of development for everything will only result in chaos. The kernel itself has become pretty much cathedral at this point, and not having a central init system (which is quite good, I don’t see the blind hate towards it which is usually never justified on technical merit) would have set back whole of linux by many years.

As much as I dislike that Red Hat has a specific role in the linux desktop case, they do sponsor important work.

Re: Gnome 40

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Topmost bar still consists of lots of unused space with clock in the center — a design decision surely copied from old mobile phones. Too much of screen space is wasted, in the most "expensive" area, where "Rule of the infinite edges" of Fitts's law applies.

And what would you put there? I do like some sway/i3-like bar with many stats, but I don’t miss that on gnome, it is sort of a feel-good thing there for me.

Re: Gnome 40

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One of the best things about macOS is how well integrated the touchpad is with the desktop environment. As in, I can do the four-finger swipe to move between workspaces, and if I drag it slowly and halfway, then yank back, the animation will follow my movements exactly. Seems Gnome now has a bunch of those features. Are there any touchpads for which it's this well integrated and works? Or is it the same that it's alw…

I believe it depends on libinput which is a heroic one-man project.

It can’t possibly be good on every device ever created, but it is pretty good I would say. Four-finger swipe up down works on gnome 3 already and it is a smooth motion, not a binary recognized thingy fortunately.

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