Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc • Hacker News Board

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by ceejayoz » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

listless wrote: post #34

If you’re a business, do you really want to be on a provider that can pull your card with little to no notice? That’s a lot of power. The boot is coming down hard right now. The cloud is looking like a risky bet.

> If you’re a business, do you really want to be on a provider that can pull your card with little to no notice?

Yes, I do, because otherwise I'm gonna be on a blacklisted IP range because every spammer in the world signed up for the "you've got 30 days to do whatever you like every time you create a new account with a stolen credit card" hosting provider.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by daniel-thompson » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

> "Doing so is the equivalent of pulling the plug on a hospital patient on life support. It will kill Parler’s business — at the very time it is set to skyrocket."

While I get what they're trying to say, this is a really odd metaphor for them to use.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by viro » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

ddmma wrote: post #3

Risk assignment on IaaS .. my house, my rules

Do you know what a ISP is? Did you know that AT&T has a TOS?

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by gameswithgo » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #103

gameswithgo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is weird to me that we people seem to be saying "These 4 companies need to be broken up". They are already 4 companies. It seems different than say, the Bell breakup, which was one company.

Do you remember the court testimony where Zuckerburge avoided the entire question about if they collude with other companies to make these decisions on the backend? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXuk-WSDDRw Apple may have banned Parler and then Google just decided to go with it, followed by AWS. However, it may also be equally valid they colluded via private channels to make this happen. BOTH ARE EQUALLY POSSIBLE.…

I've been on the internet since it started and every forum I've been on has removed users and or posts for a wide range of reasons. Including just being rude, as hackernews does. So I don't really see this as any kind of "free fall". It is just the usual way of things.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by jakelazaroff » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

caminocorner wrote: post #182

ztratar wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy in the fur hat was arrested and had a Parler. This isn't hard. The majority of people arrested had Parler accounts -- it's everywhere.

> The guy in the fur hat was arrested and had a Parler. I can't find evidence of this. Could you share your evidence? Greenwald did significant research here and said he found no active users from those arrested: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293

Glenn is either terrible at research or lying. https://twitter.com/azforeman/status/1348648808390008832?s=2...

Google “baked alaska parler”. It’s literally on the first page of results.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by metalliqaz » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

xkeysc0re wrote: post #183

Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

And his claim was refuted in mere minutes. An extremely disingenuous argument on his behalf. Glenn has done great work in the past for which he should be commended, but these days he's a contrarian in search of hot takes. It's just how the Twitter / Patreon journalist economy operates. He will throw a huge hissy fit about the mainstream media but then happily go on Fox News with Tucker.

he has always been like this. if it wasn't for Snowden choosing him because he liked his politics, nobody would care what Greenwald has to say.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by COGlory » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

ahiknsr wrote: post #151

Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

You mean the same Glenn Greenwald who said Authoritarianism in US has nothing do with Trump? [1] [1] https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-threat-of-authoritarian...

Either Greenwald is correct, or he isn't. His opinion on non-factual things should have no bearing on that.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by camhart » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

burger_moon wrote: post #177

Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

This Glen Greebwald who "quit" in protest to his false Hunter Biden witch hunt? The guy lost all credibility pushing that fake bullshit story so far he lost his job at his own news org. https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-quits-the-inte...

Hunter Biden is under investigation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/09/poli...

Update: replaced link with a more relevant one

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by CyanLite2 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

It's all fun and games until you try to overthrow the government.

Parler's entire business model was centered around Trump holding onto power, by any means necessary. This isn't a "free speech" issue. Don't promote violence, and don't try to incite insurrection and you'll be fine.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by dboreham » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

bigtones wrote: post #94

1). AWS can suspend service for any customer immediately upon giving that customer notice. They do not have to provide a "remediation period" or give the customer any grace time at all. Every customer agrees to this as part of the AWS Customer Agreement 2). AWS can terminate an account immediately if they deem you in violation of their policies instead of a suspension - as was the case with Parler. It's all in the AW…

Surely they're observing best practice cloud process and can therefore just spin up the service in another provider pronto?