70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers • Hacker News Board

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by sanedigital » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:32 PM UTC

nkrisc wrote: post #118

stuckindider wrote: post #30

Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

I'm not gonna lie: I find it very difficult to be upset by this when the site was a haven for people who want to mass executions for people like me. For me, the world is a little more complex than "privacy at all costs." It's hard to decide where to draw the line.

Talk about hyperbole. In no way did even 1% of the population on Parler want mass executions for people like you.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by thu2111 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:33 PM UTC

rob74 wrote: post #202

gwbas1c wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a surprising amount of insecure code in the wild; and naive engineers who are willingly ignorant in their security practices. I'd assume that Parler's engineers motivations had more to do with politics than providing a secure platform for protecting dissidents under duress. (Or, if we look at the history of a recent major war, the mediocre engineers working for the other side thought they were the good guys.)

To be fair, it's probably hard for a network like Parler to attract top talent. I mean, they explicitly advertised themselves as the "free speech social network" (i.e. "all hate speech welcome, we won't censor anyone except maybe Trump parody accounts") - would you want to work for such a company, or have it on your resume in the future?

Jack Dorsey: "We are the free speech wing of the free speech party"

Mark Zuckerberg: "Trump says Facebook is against him, liberals say we helped Trump. Both sides are upset about ideas and content they don’t like. That’s what running a platform for all ideas looks like.”

Matt Cutts: "We don't condone the practice of googlebombing, or any other action that seeks to affect the integrity of our search results, but we're also reluctant to alter our results by hand in order to prevent such items from showing up"

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by nullc » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:33 PM UTC

Pfhreak wrote: post #198

cbgonz wrote: post #131

Hmmm... comes close to lynching a ton of people, if you ask me. Never mind who´s right or wrong, the point is that we all agree upon trusting a judicial system to do this kind of thing, don´t we?

These folks had their private messages exposed. In no way is that "close to lynching". Depending on what the user posted, they might be embarrassed, lose their jobs, or end up in court. We can have a reasonable discussion about the ethics of hacking a site like parler, but not if the starting point is "this is the equivalent of violent mobs literally murdering innocent people".

People on twitter are posting addresses and lat&long from parler users. People have also been posting on twitter statements advocating for the murder of people involved in the events in DC this week.

Of course, 99% of that is meaningless bluster but 99% of the crap on Parler was also meaningless bluster.

So I think it remains an open question as to what the consequences of this hack will be. I don't think it's impossible that someone may be literally murdered.

But if it happens I'm sure everyone in the causal chain will be as quick to claim no responsibility as the Parler CEO was...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by djtriptych » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:33 PM UTC

swalsh wrote: post #99

newacct583 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler was ground zero for the community that announced and executed the attack on the capitol. Thought leaders there were routinely evoking, imagining, and outright calling for violence, and the crowd was a feedback loop. Fundamentally the Parler community existed to provide a platform for people who had been already banned from Twitter. Frankly the peaceful use of the site was mostly incidental. I think there's a r…

I generally agree that information from here related to the attack is in the public interest. But this is going to also reveal people who had no part of it. I don't think it's fair to justify revealing innocent peoples data.

The rules are different when the democracy is at stake, as this country's history should have taught you.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by salawat » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:33 PM UTC

stuckindider wrote: post #30

Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

Was about to ask the same thing. My, how the story changes when it's on the other foot. This type of thing is exactly why we can't have noce things. Regardless of how you feel about the people in question, the fact is you've got people on the side of throwing even more fuel 9n the fire for stoking divisiveness and chaos. The sheer fraction of HN posters who show no apparent awareness of this is a bit offputting.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by sj3k » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:34 PM UTC

stuckindider wrote: post #30

Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

You can pretty easily see for yourself they are THE bad guys. There are calls for violence and white supremacist rhetoric ever way you turn. You really have to try hard to find the non horrible parts of that site.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by BlueTemplar » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:34 PM UTC

papaf wrote: post #144

devwastaken wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the media". You're not being honest, you either havent used the platform or are deliberately lying here. Either way a platform that freeley allows the organization of violent mobs has no place, and neither does anybody who supports it.

Either way a platform that freeley allows the organization of violent mobs has no place, and neither does anybody who supports it. I feel the same way about Facebook [1]. This is not whataboutism. I truly believe Facebook should also be shutdown for its role in Genocide. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/technology/myanmar-facebo...

I have a big issue with the importance of Facebook in this specific story (even if something similar will almost certainly happen or already have happened elsewhere) : I have been to Myanmar. The kind of people that they are talking about overwhelmingly are too poor to afford Internet/Facebook !

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by NikolaeVarius » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:34 PM UTC

rob74 wrote: post #202

gwbas1c wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a surprising amount of insecure code in the wild; and naive engineers who are willingly ignorant in their security practices. I'd assume that Parler's engineers motivations had more to do with politics than providing a secure platform for protecting dissidents under duress. (Or, if we look at the history of a recent major war, the mediocre engineers working for the other side thought they were the good guys.)

To be fair, it's probably hard for a network like Parler to attract top talent. I mean, they explicitly advertised themselves as the "free speech social network" (i.e. "all hate speech welcome, we won't censor anyone except maybe Trump parody accounts") - would you want to work for such a company, or have it on your resume in the future?

Yes? I wouldn't work for Parler, but I fail to see how the phrase "free speech social network" should elicit some negative emotion. Parler sucks because they are a haven to right wing extremists, not because of their marketing.

Its like being angry at Signal because their encryption allows terrorists communicate securely.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by spiderfarmer » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:34 PM UTC

eudajmonia wrote: post #139

stuckindider wrote: post #30

Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

The find the whole narrative of dehumanising Trump supporters to be sick. The memory of all the pathological mob like violence that occurred during the BLM movement which occurred worldwide should still be fresh in all of our memories. If only the actors who incited that violence were held to this same standard.

Trump's lawyer was asking the rioters to execute Mike Pence first.

If I label him a terrorist, that doesn't mean I label all Trump followers terrorists.

Stop thinking so black and white. It's that way of thinking that lead to all of this.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by andromeduck » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:34 PM UTC

dragontamer wrote: post #45

ceejayoz wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? The article indicates at least some of this comes from merely incrementing an integer in the video URLs. > I am now crawling URLs of all videos uploaded to Parler. Sequentially from latest to oldest. VIDXXX.txt files coming up, 50k chunks, there will be 1.1M URLs total...

I believe from a legal standpoint, all that matters is whether the user intended it to be private or not. It is a felony to open a mail envelope addressed to someone else. It doesn't matter that a butterknife can cut open the envelope, the intent is clear.

This is more a postcard than a letter.