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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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> “[W]e cannot provide services to a customer that is unable to effectively identify and remove content that encourages or incites violence against others,” This seems to be the standard

Question: Would this mean that Signal's backend would be prohibited from running on AWS?

After all, it's almost assuredly the case that at least some Signal users are actively plotting violence. Yet end-to-end encryption by definition makes it impossible for Signal to identify that content.

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Or, fuck them for choosing to work for a company that at best is a racist cesspool and at worst is abetting an attempt to steal an election.

Every single thing that has happened with Parler was foreseeable and forseen on the day it was announced. It was never about free speech, and everyone knew that.

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post #167

Reading Amazon's reasoning, tech companies are basically setting a standard that if you want to have user-generated content, you must have professional moderators. This seems like it will be a barrier to innovation.

No it won't, because they aren't going to apply the standard consistently. It will be used against specific sites for political reasons.

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Where do we draw the line on how we censor the internet? Obviously actual terrorist group sites can and should be taken down, but this feels like it's getting more murky than that. - Should we be okay with Facebook censoring these groups? - Should we be okay with Google censoring search results? - Should we be okay with Apple censoring apps? - Should we be okay with AWS censoring websites? - Should we be okay with Go…

Why does it feel more murky than that? There are actual threats being posted against lawmakers, and then we had a violent storming of the capital by those people, many of them armed, asking where those lawmakers are.

I mean...that image alone. "Violence works. Make them afraid", accompanied with text then saying "How about make them hang?", and showing lawmakers hiding in the Capital.

The fact it's a third party forum that these terrorist threats and planning are taking place doesn't really change the fact it's still facilitating terrorism.

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It must feel pretty surreal to be someone that is constantly moving to different communication apps and instantly finding them pulled by anyone and everyone. We've seen an escalation of this from higher-level platforms (obviously Twitter can ban an account if they desire) to medium-level platforms (I suppose Apple gets to pick what I can do on my own phone even if it feels a bit wrong), but I'm curious if this will a…

Companies want to cover their asses and protect their own interests. Customers are essentially paying for usage of a company's services and don't actually own anything besides their own code and IP. If company decides it's worth it to them to remove customer, then they will do that. Companies have no reason to care what their customers do, as long as it doesn't adversely effect the company (see also: Apple clamping down on companies avoiding the 30% revenue cut).

I think what will be interesting to watch is how the government responds with legislation/mandates.

Will the government require they can ask for people be removed as customers from certain companies? Or require companies share data about customers with the government? Or give the government a backdoor API?

In the name of using it for good, in some ways it makes sense. Then, how does one trust the government to only use the tools for good - and who judges what "good" is?

If a 17 year old gets the keys to a Ferrari to only drive to school at 35mph, can they be trusted with that responsibility?

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Where do we draw the line on how we censor the internet? Obviously actual terrorist group sites can and should be taken down, but this feels like it's getting more murky than that. - Should we be okay with Facebook censoring these groups? - Should we be okay with Google censoring search results? - Should we be okay with Apple censoring apps? - Should we be okay with AWS censoring websites? - Should we be okay with Go…

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“Recently, we’ve seen a steady increase in this violent content on your website, all of which violates our terms. It’s clear that Parler does not have an effective process to comply with the AWS terms of service,” the email reads. “[W]e cannot provide services to a customer that is unable to effectively identify and remove content that encourages or incites violence against others,” the email reads. “Because Parler cannot comply with our terms of service and poses a very real risk to public safety, we plan to suspend Parler’s account effective Sunday, January 10th, at 11:59PM PST.”

If Amazon and Parker havnt commented, how can an email be quoted?

Is Amazon monitoring the content of all the services on its platform?

While my first impression is that this looks like the US turning into China, the fact that large scale private industry is doing this in apparent coordination with political forces make it seem more fascist than commie. Maybe Trump really did usher fascism into the US. What a pity.

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post #146

I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

It's not about political ideology. It's about preventing what seems to be a clear case of violence inciting posts (many websites are sharing those screenshots). This should NOT be allowed in the garb of "free speech".

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Just one thing to note about section 230. Amazon is protected from civil liability for content on Parler, but it is not protected from criminal liability. In practice the feds don’t go after isos from hosting criminal content (frauds for instance) with the exception of child pornography, but there is a lot of very illegal stuff on parler right now (calls to kill the Vice President, conspiracy to sedition, etc). It’s not surprising parler is being banned
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