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WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
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Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#222I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?
> I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#223I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?
I've used Signal for years, and for most of that time only had about three people who also used it in my contacts.
My wife recently got her entire extended family to use Signal. She has always refused to use WhatsApp. They all love Signal now, and use it all the time. However, this was during a family crisis.
During the Covid lockdowns, many companies I know used Signal as their preferred non corporate communication platform over WhatsApp... But again, that was a crisis.
It seems to be difficult to dislodge people from their preferred platforms without some kind of external driver to adopt it.
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#224I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?
I managed to get most of my family to use telegram. I just stopped using whatsapp and convinced a few of them to do so also, the rest came because they couldn't speak to us otherwise.
The key was being stubborn and banking on them eventually wanting to talk to me.
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#225The founder of Whatsapp (1) claims that Facebook promised Whatsapp would not be monetised, and that Facebook and and Whatsapp's data would not be combined. This information was also provided to European antitrust regulators (2) missed out on $850 stock option grants vesting by quitting early over disputes with Facebook about monetisation strategy (3) promoted #deletefacebook on Whatsapp following the Cambridge Anlaly…
I mean, according to his Wikipedia page he's worth $2.85B so he's not really hurting.
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#226When will the market be ripe for people/average joe to buy or rent a block data service à la s3/minio so they can plug their app (calendar, photo sharing, blog, messages, etc.) to it instead of being forced to pay for services with their privacy ? They'd just pay for cloud storage that can be used by any apps using buckets/volumes as external storage instead of paying for dropbox like dumb storage.
If I had money I would do a foundation thing to kickstart something like that.
Is that a dumb idea ?
edit: maybe the latency between the app and the block service would be too high to be reliable/tolerable.
edit2: there used to be a lot of applications that relied on dropbox to store things but I have a feeling SSG captured the dev mindshare (or maybe Dropbox restricted the API).
edit3: I just corrected `id` to `idea`, my brain does that when I am tired :D
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#227The founder of Whatsapp (1) claims that Facebook promised Whatsapp would not be monetised, and that Facebook and and Whatsapp's data would not be combined. This information was also provided to European antitrust regulators (2) missed out on $850 stock option grants vesting by quitting early over disputes with Facebook about monetisation strategy (3) promoted #deletefacebook on Whatsapp following the Cambridge Anlaly…
I mean, according to his Wikipedia page he's worth $2.85B so he's not really hurting.
Sure but still at least he is standing on his principles here.
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#228The founder of Whatsapp (1) claims that Facebook promised Whatsapp would not be monetised, and that Facebook and and Whatsapp's data would not be combined. This information was also provided to European antitrust regulators (2) missed out on $850 stock option grants vesting by quitting early over disputes with Facebook about monetisation strategy (3) promoted #deletefacebook on Whatsapp following the Cambridge Anlaly…
Why did he think Mark wanted to pay 19 billion for whatsapp? To not make any money.
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whatsapp had to compete with SMS, so when I was introduced to WhatsApp I thought it was a godsend and immediately adopted it. Also advertised it to all my friends. Switching now might be harder because there is a lot less to gain, besides some non-tangible “privacy”. What is this thing called “privacy”?
I was nodding along with your comment, wondering why it had been downvoted until I reached your last statement and couldn't tell if you were being serious or not.
I think (and hope) he’s just relying the difficulty of communicating the concept and value of techno-privacy to his friends and relatives - as opposed to the immediate and self-evident differential between whatsapp and sms texts.
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#230The founder of Whatsapp (1) claims that Facebook promised Whatsapp would not be monetised, and that Facebook and and Whatsapp's data would not be combined. This information was also provided to European antitrust regulators (2) missed out on $850 stock option grants vesting by quitting early over disputes with Facebook about monetisation strategy (3) promoted #deletefacebook on Whatsapp following the Cambridge Anlaly…
I mean, according to his Wikipedia page he's worth $2.85B so he's not really hurting.
$850MM relative to $2.85B is still a lot of money.