Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by freehunter » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 8:02 PM UTC

parliament32 wrote: post #215

speeder wrote: post #194

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In Brazil this is a GREAT reason to NOT use it. In fact phone operators for a while tried to ban whatsapp here, SMS prices in Brazil are just nuts (it is normal for an SMS cost fifty cents or so, sometimes even more, a full SMS conversation can cost you several days worth of food). Everyone here just uses whatsapp, because of how ridiculous SMS prices are.

It must be a market difference. Here in north america, SMS is the "default" way you message new contacts, and the majority of chats I have with people are over SMS. SMS is free and unlimited on virtually every phone plan available.

Yeah I see the statement a lot on international forums like HN and Reddit of "SMS is still a thing? No one uses it!" But it's highly cultural. I only use WhatApp for two friends in Europe. Most of my friends here in the US use Facebook Messenger for our group chats. My iPhone-using friends use iMessage, but if I'm communicating with an Android-using friend, it's just plain SMS. I prefer more robust platforms but I also send hundreds of plain SMS messages each month. It's just easier than trying to figure out if they're on WhatsApp, Messenger, Signal, Discord, Telegraph, Hello/Allo/Duo/etc... everyone has SMS and everyone has a phone number so it's the lowest friction way to communicate.

That's what I love about these forums, is getting the cultural experiences of other people and finding out they're not always the same as your experiences. Very eye-opening.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 8:02 PM UTC

frakkingcylons wrote: post #207

wrigby wrote: post #202

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Depending on your current level, this can be the same thing (Facebook has an "engineering progression" - there's a time frame within which you're expected to be promoted to a certain level).

> there's a time frame within which you're expected to be promoted to a certain level What happens if you don’t? You get fired or put on a PIP?

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Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by echlebek » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 8:10 PM UTC

florianmari wrote: post #25

It's not only Facebook, a lot of services, Deezer, some operators in France... https://downdetector.fr/

Yeah, I recently discovered while evaluating Deezer that it doesn't function without scripts from facebook. So, I didn't subscribe.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by WaitWaitWha » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 8:15 PM UTC

> OH, thank God! - William Preston as Depth Gauge in Waterworld (1995)

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by crakhamster01 » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 8:24 PM UTC

frakkingcylons wrote: post #207

wrigby wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depending on your current level, this can be the same thing (Facebook has an "engineering progression" - there's a time frame within which you're expected to be promoted to a certain level).

> there's a time frame within which you're expected to be promoted to a certain level What happens if you don’t? You get fired or put on a PIP?

One or the other, I think they usually try to put you on a PIP before firing though. It can feel like an up or out kind of culture, but the timelines are fairly reasonable IMO - e.g. they give you 5 years to progress from an entry-level SWE to mid/senior-level SWE (L3 -> L5).

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by baq » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 8:25 PM UTC

nanoservices wrote: post #212

andjd wrote: post #151

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Ok, so instead of breaking you up into three companies, we'll break you up into 4. The fourth can own the messaging infrastructure and license it out to anyone interested. I can find a legal solution to your technical blockades. Be careful what you ask for.

This is fun to read but also implies that we have representatives competent enough to even understand things at this level. Maybe they don't have to understand it, I doubt they even consult someone who could help them understand this.

This isn’t new. Telephone infrastructure, power grid, roads and railways in some countries are using this exact pattern with some success.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 8:31 PM UTC

nanoservices wrote: post #212

andjd wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, so instead of breaking you up into three companies, we'll break you up into 4. The fourth can own the messaging infrastructure and license it out to anyone interested. I can find a legal solution to your technical blockades. Be careful what you ask for.

This is fun to read but also implies that we have representatives competent enough to even understand things at this level. Maybe they don't have to understand it, I doubt they even consult someone who could help them understand this.

That's the role of staffers, though the rise of the lobbying industry has perverted this somewhat.

Some folks in congress are savvy about technology however, such as Wyden.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by kungito » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 8:51 PM UTC

crakhamster01 wrote: post #225

frakkingcylons wrote: post #207

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> there's a time frame within which you're expected to be promoted to a certain level What happens if you don’t? You get fired or put on a PIP?

One or the other, I think they usually try to put you on a PIP before firing though. It can feel like an up or out kind of culture, but the timelines are fairly reasonable IMO - e.g. they give you 5 years to progress from an entry-level SWE to mid/senior-level SWE (L3 -> L5).

Is that 2 promos?

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by folmar » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 9:02 PM UTC

ssivark wrote: post #169

not_knuth wrote: post #119

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Well as always, that can easily be done on Linux. There is even a widget on KDE that lets you do precisely that.

Please say more!

You can also make nice updating (but not interactive) background with conky.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by bonecrusher2102 » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 9:04 PM UTC

kungito wrote: post #228

crakhamster01 wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One or the other, I think they usually try to put you on a PIP before firing though. It can feel like an up or out kind of culture, but the timelines are fairly reasonable IMO - e.g. they give you 5 years to progress from an entry-level SWE to mid/senior-level SWE (L3 -> L5).

Is that 2 promos?

Yes