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Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by mch82 »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #215
mch82 wrote: post #183

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I don’t understand why people complain instead of taking FOSS they like, packaging it as an app, distributing it on the App Store & publishing the source. Does Apple prohibit that? I remember the days of very little Apple compatible software on the shelf at retailers, and no games. I was probably one of the first students to use a MacBook with OSX for CSCI 101 because many classes required Windows. That was lack of f…

It costs time and money to do that. Who is gonna port, pay, and gonna do it?

I understand it will take effort and don’t have answers for those questions.

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Post by [deleted] »

dev_tty01 wrote: post #211
macintux wrote: post #192

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When plugged in, perhaps, but when on battery those slower cores are going to get used more.

No, if you run a heavy computational load on a battery powered Macbook Pro it runs all out on all cores. Lots of reviewers looking at this. Battery life is worse of course under heavy load but still incredible relative to x86 for identical tasks. Faster and less battery usage.

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Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by tengbretson »

rowanG077 wrote: post #119
squarefoot wrote: post #94

No, I wouldn't, not even if I could print billions in a snap. I'd rather help funding the port to a 10 times slower but open platform, rather to a technically superior but proprietary close one whose owner would make it incompatible two seconds after they would smell competition from Linux in any of their core business fields. No thanks, I'll send my small quid to whomever appears to be really in favor of openness, n…

Well I wouldn't pay for it if I could print billions in a snap because then I would start my own company that creates open RISC-V laptops and pcs. But in the current market I will because there's simply no alternative.

Did you not own a computer prior to this month?

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by dev_tty01 »

No, because it is already a unix OS. I imagine this is unpopular in HN, but what matters to me is just running on a good solid unix. I don't really care if it is a unix or Linux. What I want is shell scripting, pipes, forks, make, python, awk, grep, find, du, df, etc... Most anything that doesn't come pre-installed can be built from source. This wasn't true in the early days of OS X, but now the only things I find that don't work (that I care about) are tools that depend directly on devfs or other very Linux specific system APIs.

Unix command line driven tools are a big part of my work and the native OS unix does everything I need it do. It seems a lot of people became committed to Linux coming from Windows with no unix system under the hood. I suspect if Windows had been unix based like Mac OS, Linux would not have become quite so popular. I'm sure avid Linux users will disagree, but for me the unix model command line interaction is what matters. Go easy, I'm not trying to make an argument for one unix over another. Just arguing that the need for a capable unix is already met by the native OS.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by waheoo »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #202
minot wrote: post #189

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The main reason to run hackintosh as far as I know is to write software for macOS or iOS. Apple won’t encourage corporations to build hackintoshes but as long as it isn’t too easy to install macOS anywhere I don’t see how — on net — it hurts apple.

> The main reason to run hackintosh as far as I know is to write software for macOS or iOS. I suspect a lot of Hackintoshes users do so because they like using macOS day-to-day, but don't see anything appealing in Apple's hardware lineup. I'm one of them.

I don't agree with you but I am glad you exist.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by waheoo »

scoopertrooper wrote: post #190
ddingus wrote: post #109

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As spiffy as Apple mobile devices are, I never found the locked down environment worth it. Nice hardware, too bad about the OS/App model... This new hardware is awesome! I could care less overall though. Frankly, open computing can be done fast enough to not be a worry. I will stick with all that and see where this new path leads. And my mind is open. Who knows? Maybe it all ends up in a good place. I am quite happy…

The Mac M1 platform is about as open as any other laptop platform. Your points are quite valid for the i-class devices, but there is nothing preventing anyone from installing linux on an M1 Mac once driver support arrives.

Do you seriously trust that not to change?

When is driver support coming?

When will audio on Mac's work on Linux?

When will the touchbar drivers be made available?

Apple doesn't give a shit about Linux, but they also don't make it easy to use their hardware.

And to answer the question posed, no, I would never give this company money.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by woahAcademia »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #214

I wonder—how certain are we that Apple would be unwilling to assist with a project like this? They've said that Windows support is "up to Microsoft"[1], and they explicitly demonstrated Linux VM support at WWDC. Apple's primary mission is to sell hardware, and they know that Linux is important for certain consumers. I wouldn't expect Apple to write or finance any code, but I could certainly see them providing documen…

Something I'm just not understanding here. Why the obsession of single thread time in 2020?

Give it 2 years and a competitor will beat it, Apple will be behind yet again and the price will be higher than ever.

And again, this is only for single thread. My computer is already blazing fast and intense programs will use multi threads.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by newbie2020 »

dev_tty01 wrote: post #224

No, because it is already a unix OS. I imagine this is unpopular in HN, but what matters to me is just running on a good solid unix. I don't really care if it is a unix or Linux. What I want is shell scripting, pipes, forks, make, python, awk, grep, find, du, df, etc... Most anything that doesn't come pre-installed can be built from source. This wasn't true in the early days of OS X, but now the only things I find th…

Same. Only reason I even look at OSX is because of the terminal/BASH and how easy that makes programming-related work. For everything else, I think windows is way better.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by [deleted] »

ddingus wrote: post #109
squarefoot wrote: post #94

No, I wouldn't, not even if I could print billions in a snap. I'd rather help funding the port to a 10 times slower but open platform, rather to a technically superior but proprietary close one whose owner would make it incompatible two seconds after they would smell competition from Linux in any of their core business fields. No thanks, I'll send my small quid to whomever appears to be really in favor of openness, n…

As spiffy as Apple mobile devices are, I never found the locked down environment worth it. Nice hardware, too bad about the OS/App model... This new hardware is awesome! I could care less overall though. Frankly, open computing can be done fast enough to not be a worry. I will stick with all that and see where this new path leads. And my mind is open. Who knows? Maybe it all ends up in a good place. I am quite happy…

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Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by nightski »

internet2000 wrote: post #185
nightski wrote: post #172

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Bootcamp is dead on M1. In addition they have taken steps towards further locking down which apps can run on OSX. So he's probably talking about that Apple.

Bootcamp isn't available as Microsoft doesn't have a version of Windows compatible with the new platform. The parent comment even says that. And Gatekeeper has been around for 8+ years, always with ways to run whatever you want, but I'm sure the "locking down" is coming any day now. It's just business: Apple won't intentionally remove features that makes their hardware more attractive. It's where they make most of th…

I didn't mean to imply it was Apple's fault Windows did not run on M1 (in fact it has been shown that Windows ARM64 does run natively on M1 albeit through a patched QEMU due to lack of driver support), but by designing a custom SoC they have abandoned the approach which would afford them the most compatibility (staying with x86). This may have been the right direction for them, but it's not the same approach as before and definitely abandons compatibility in favor of better performance.

Second while Gatekeeper has been around for 8+ years, the default of contacting an Apple server on every program launch was new (or so I thought) with Big Sur. It's a step towards that direction. People could not launch apps when this server was down.

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