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Post by AnimalMuppet »

inopinatus wrote: post #166
blub wrote: post #164

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Being born somewhere and being a citizen gives you certain rights but also responsibilities. Not being loyal to your country means that you're not taking care of your responsibilities, so it would be fair that you should not enjoy the rights of citizenship. Those that dislike patriotism so much should provide the ultimate proof of their beliefs and renounce their citizenship. They shall surely be celebrated by all co…

Ugh. That “renounce your citizenship then” jibe speaks volumes about the revulsion felt by authoritarians for nonconformists. It is bigotry 101, and repeating it labels you personally. Fortunately, I’m perfectly capable of discharging my civic responsibilities without having to believe in some animistic delusion, any more than I need a church to supply a moral compass. My loyalty belongs to people, not places, and to…

Your loyalty belongs to people? No doubt that's why you called them "revisionist shitbirds" a few posts upthread.

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Post by massysett »

vlod wrote: post #218
xwdv wrote: post #198

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I've never been in a raging fire, but the property seems to be very open and spacious with no obvious choke points, how does one end up so trapped, and without realizing a fire is breaking out? My guess is he passed out from the smoke inhalation first while asleep and was burned.

My fire alarm goes off when I make toast. How can this happen?

People remove the batteries from smoke alarms precisely because they go off when they make toast...and then this happens.

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Post by mstade »

xoxoy wrote: post #207
siliconmountain wrote: post #183

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No. Better to let law enforcement & the family consider that then speculate on an internet forum without any substantial or additional information.

there’s information from this article at the time of the fire: https://www.theday.com/article/20201118/NWS04/201119437 the thing that stood out to me was that it happened at 3:30 in the morning. unless he was sleeping, which it doesn’t say he was, then the time of day is certainly unusual. it also says he was trapped in the home and they had to use force to get to him, which would imply he was locked somewhere in the…

Light a few candles at midnight; have a couple of glasses of wine; pass out on the couch watching reruns of Battlestar Galactica; candles burn down; candle holder catches fire; fire spreads to the curtains; full blown fire breaks out; wake up to a smoke filled room and start panicking; make it to an adjoining room and close the door; sit down on the floor trying to catch a breath; hyperventilating means more smoke inhalation; pass out; firemen arrive and door is blocked by man slumped on the floor inside, requiring forced entry...

Neither 3:30am or any of the other details are automatically suspicious. This stuff happens, all the time, and there's no reason to suspect foul play until investigators say so.

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Post by [deleted] »

rdl wrote: post #68

The Zappos website now has a Steve Jobs-like tribute on the first page (as well as a banner), which seems appropriate given how amazing Hsieh has been (not merely founding Zappos, but the renewal of DT Las Vegas, plus cool stuff he did back in SF before Zappos -- the 1000 Van Ness place was quirky and awesome.) A really amazing person.

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Post by xoxoy »

simias wrote: post #220
xoxoy wrote: post #207

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there’s information from this article at the time of the fire: https://www.theday.com/article/20201118/NWS04/201119437 the thing that stood out to me was that it happened at 3:30 in the morning. unless he was sleeping, which it doesn’t say he was, then the time of day is certainly unusual. it also says he was trapped in the home and they had to use force to get to him, which would imply he was locked somewhere in the…

I'm not sure what's unusual about this. Fires at night are dangerous because people sleep so they're more likely to be caught by surprise when the fire is already completely out of control. All it takes is an electrical spark, a candle they forgot to put out, a heater too close to some fabric and you got yourself a fire. Frankly this internet sleuthing is rather pointless and, in my opinion, in rather bad taste.

you’re assuming he was sleeping...nothing in the article says that he was asleep in his bedroom when this happened.

it also doesn’t explain why the firefighters say he was “trapped in a portion of the house” and they had to “force entry”. implies there was some blockade within the house that prevented them from easily getting to him.

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Post by mstade »

crazydoggers wrote: post #208
xwdv wrote: post #198

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I've never been in a raging fire, but the property seems to be very open and spacious with no obvious choke points, how does one end up so trapped, and without realizing a fire is breaking out? My guess is he passed out from the smoke inhalation first while asleep and was burned.

I can tell you from having been in a building that had a major fire, the speed with which smoke and fire spreads is hard to imagine. Within 30 seconds of the alarm, halls where filled with choking smoke. I managed to exit without too much difficulty, but even with covering my face with my shirt, I was still coughing and black gunk coming out my nose for the rest of the day. Others needed oxygen support even after bei…

Thanks for sharing your story and important advice. I'm glad you made it out ok!

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Post by aiisahik »

Reading "Delivering Happiness" inspired me to quit a legal career I hated, learn to code on nights and weekends. Today, I'm the CTO of a promising startup. Thank you, Tony.

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Post by talentedcoin »

xoxoy wrote: post #225
simias wrote: post #220

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I'm not sure what's unusual about this. Fires at night are dangerous because people sleep so they're more likely to be caught by surprise when the fire is already completely out of control. All it takes is an electrical spark, a candle they forgot to put out, a heater too close to some fabric and you got yourself a fire. Frankly this internet sleuthing is rather pointless and, in my opinion, in rather bad taste.

you’re assuming he was sleeping...nothing in the article says that he was asleep in his bedroom when this happened. it also doesn’t explain why the firefighters say he was “trapped in a portion of the house” and they had to “force entry”. implies there was some blockade within the house that prevented them from easily getting to him.

No, it doesn't imply anything. What if you fall asleep in the basement? What if part of the house collapses and can't be accessed? Is that a "blockade"?

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Post by talentedcoin »

xoxoy wrote: post #229

The fire was not some out of control fire that burned down the entire home from photos of the firefighters at the home that night https://twitter.com/local1522/status/1328998506183397381?s=2...

I can't see anything from those pictures.

I find your armchair detective-ing here deeply distasteful.

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