And now they see the Streisand Effect in action. This was an unfortunate reaction by them that will damage their social capital (a little at least) among one of their core markets. I doubt it'll drive them into bankruptcy, but it's irritating for me to see this sort of behavior.
Dropbox Attempts To Kill Open Source Project
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Re: Dropbox Attempts To Kill Open Source Project
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
> illegal file sharing has never been permitted and we take great pains to keep it off of dropbox. Which is great, except you are punishing the crime, before it even occurred. Remember use of torrents are not illegal per se, sharing files which you do not copyright of, and piracy is. > there were no legal threats or any other shenanigans to the author or people hosting. (EDIT - No applicable. Read Drew's edit.) DMCA…
we have a variety of easy-to-use sharing mechanisms (public links, shared folders, etc.) that people have been using for a long time for legitimate uses. to be clear, we _never issued_ any DMCA takedowns to anyone -- the OP incorrectly received a bizarrely-worded email from us saying we had received a takedown notice from ourselves (no such notice ever existed) for which we've apologized.
Thanks. Already updated in the comment.
Re: Dropbox Attempts To Kill Open Source Project
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
we've fixed the deduplication behavior serverside to prevent "injection" of files you don't actually have, for a variety of reasons I think this was a good call, and not just for the piracy issues but for the substantial information disclosure and possible misappropriation of sensitive documents that it could have facilitated. This is something that's been on my radar for some months, and frankly seemed like a signif…
> ... the substantial information disclosure and possible misappropriation of sensitive documents that it could have facilitated They match duplicate files with an SHA256 sum and size in bytes. With those two factors, the probability of a collision is incredibly tiny and impossible to exploit usefully. If you tried a trillion combinations you might find a useless file, but by then you would be detected and banned fro…
Hashes are also disclosed in other ways. In certain cases security researchers will reveal a hash of a file publicly to provide proof of a file that might contain a proof of concept exploit against a privately disclosed bug - with the idea that the contents of the file could be revealed at a later date. If someone the researcher shared that file with privately placed it on dropbox, that file could be revealed publicly.
Online AV systems could be another form of disclosure. Many "online scan" products report the hashes of local files back to the server for malware detection - it is faster to upload your hashes than download the hashes of the many millions of signatures a product can scan for.
Another version of this is virustotal.com or similar services that will scan a submitted file against a large number of AV products. The resultant scans include the sha256 hash and are often publicly accessible, while the contents of the file isn't. In the days after several recent Adobe flash 0-days, virustotal reports on infected documents were reported publicly days before the bug was fixed or the actual exploit was publicly revealed. Here is one such example for CVE-2011-0611 submitted on 4/9/2011, made public on 4/11/2011 but no patch was available until 4/15/2011: http://www.virustotal.com/file-scan/report.html?id=1e677420d...
Granted, all of these presume that sensitive files are being placed on dropbox when they probably shouldn't be. But these things do happen.
As far as information disclosure, someone who has a legitimate copy of a file could then use the hash to determine if the file is being leaked off site or distributed inappropriately. This may be seen as a feature to some document owners, but it could serve to detect exfiltration that one might otherwise agree with. Whistle blowers come to mind. If you suspected a leak, one might provide slightly different copies of a sensitive document to a group of employees and see if any of the hashes appeared on dropbox after admonishing them to not allow the file to leave the enterprise.
I understand that many of these concerns could be dismissed with well, they already have bad document handling procedures, etc. Which would be valid, however in the real world a lot of poor behavior goes on. I'm just listing these as examples of the kind of problems that could arise, I'm not trying to take a stand on how likely any of the attacks might be.
Re: Dropbox Attempts To Kill Open Source Project
#224Re: Dropbox Attempts To Kill Open Source Project
#225Most interesting comment to that article: Thankfully all DMCA requests are filed under penalty of perjury. If he claims that he owns the copyright to material he doesn’t own, he has now opened himself up to civil litigation. Really. Seems so: http://www.aaronkellylaw.com/Internet-Law-and-Intellectual-P...
Not an invalid DMCA request, even assuming one was sent out. Copyright applies to original and derivative works, though multiple parties may own copyrights to a derivative work. In America, derivative works include software programs which are inseparably reliant on code or features (including APIs) of another program. It's basically the same argument that WordPress and Drupal make in regard to themes, plugins, etc.,…
I don't think that's true; if you've got any case authority, I'd certainly like to remedy my ignorance of it.
"Derivative work" is defined in the Copyright Act: [1]
"A 'derivative work' is a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a 'derivative work'." [Emphasis added]
I don't recall ever having seen any kind of ruling that sending API-compliant messages to another computer via the Internet, for processing by code already running on the other computer, somehow constitutes creating a derivative work of that code.
And I don't see how, in any normal case, the owner of the code on the other computer could claim that the API message sender had caused an infringing copy of the code to be made. If I were representing the API message sender, I'd likely argue that the owner of the code -- by (putatively) licensing the computer operator to configure the code to listen for and process API messages -- had consented to whatever copying might have occurred.
[1] http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_0...
Re: Dropbox Attempts To Kill Open Source Project
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was no DMCA takedown notice.
That's not what Dropbox say: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2482803 (admittedly, several hours after you posted)
Re: Dropbox Attempts To Kill Open Source Project
#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
Best thing you can do now: offer the dropship guy a job. He knows your product well enough to "break" it and he has the motivation to create something strong enough that it is causing a fuss. Learn from Geohot. Don't scare away people who want to play with and extend your product.
The original dropship guy isn't the one causing the fuss.
Re: Dropbox Attempts To Kill Open Source Project
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm pretty sure sending fake DMCA requests is illegal, and it doesn't matter if it's a mistake.
It's illegal only if it was intentional. A mistakenly sent DMCA request is okay, as long as the sender follows up with a disregard notice.
Re: Dropbox Attempts To Kill Open Source Project
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
Best thing you can do now: offer the dropship guy a job. He knows your product well enough to "break" it and he has the motivation to create something strong enough that it is causing a fuss. Learn from Geohot. Don't scare away people who want to play with and extend your product.
The original dropship guy isn't the one causing the fuss.
That would sufficiently diffuse the situation before the next guy starts ragging on dropbox. No need to play with snowballs here.
Re: Dropbox Attempts To Kill Open Source Project
#230Most interesting comment to that article: Thankfully all DMCA requests are filed under penalty of perjury. If he claims that he owns the copyright to material he doesn’t own, he has now opened himself up to civil litigation. Really. Seems so: http://www.aaronkellylaw.com/Internet-Law-and-Intellectual-P...
Not an invalid DMCA request, even assuming one was sent out. Copyright applies to original and derivative works, though multiple parties may own copyrights to a derivative work. In America, derivative works include software programs which are inseparably reliant on code or features (including APIs) of another program. It's basically the same argument that WordPress and Drupal make in regard to themes, plugins, etc.,…