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Seems reasonable enough to ban that. Might confuse a tired human too.
I think banning Teslas as unsafe is even more reasonable conclusion. Those cars can't be trusted so they should not be allowed on public roads. Problem solved. Same goes for any other car with this issue.
Hacked billboards make Teslas see phantom objects causing them to swerve or stop
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Re: Hacked billboards make Teslas see phantom objects causing them to swerve or stop
#222Billboards at night should be forbidden. Period. I almost had an accident when a billboard that was dark suddenly displayed a very bright image on my side. My body reacted moving suddenly the steering wheel as a reflex action. At another one having some big image being moved actually made my eyes follow the movement instead of the road with cars on it. I had to make work in order to focus on the road and not the scre…
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#223Ok, so can we agree to get rid of billboards?
Hawaii (among other places) has banned billboards. It is actually quite nice not to have annoying advertisements all over the place. So, it is possible, but it will take a concerted political push.
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#224I can see this happening as an opening shot to an action movie.
Some reporter finds out that $government is doing $bad_thing. They pack up the evidence, rush out the door to talk to their editor. A slick, self-driving car pulls up as they exit the building, they enter and pull away.
It is a rainy night, and the car zips along the city roads along thousands of others; just another regular evening. Cars passing each other at break-neck speeds with safety margins that are only really safe with positronic brains at the wheel.
We see the street, as seen by the computer. Bounding boxes and labels hovering over multiple viewpoint video feeds, all drawn in slick black & blue cyber aesthetic. Suddenly something changes at the left of the image, alerts go off.
Cut to the exterior, super slow motion shot of the care from back right angle, with a big billboard visible on the left side of the road. It shows cryptic patterns that seem to depict running children, but never the whole child, just portions of them, in changing shapes and positions, with neural network adversarial noise covering the rest of the image.
Cut back to the board computer's view, still slow motion. Red bounding boxes surrounding the billboard, and then a big red warning flashes in the center of the screen:
COLLISION IMMINENT.
All kinds of meters at the bottom of the dashboard start going wild as the car tries to find a safe exit state, and with the slow-motion slowly approaching realtime again. It swerves to the right. The image gets rocked as it gets hit by another passing car. Another hit. The world on screen turns as the car goes flying.
Static noise fills the screen.
Next scene:
A news broadcast announces that there was a high casualty in accident on Suchandsuch Road last night. Investigators find that it was most probably caused by a repair shop installing a faulty aftermarket AI module into a car.
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Speech that is false and intentionally causes a panic should not be protected. What is true or false isn't always clear though, even if there's a popular or official consensus. The point of having a public forum is to give new ideas a chance, as unheard of or unpopular as they may be. Of course, with that you get the risk of misinformation as well. As a society we must choose how much risk we're willing to tolerate…
>The point of having a public forum is to give new ideas a chance, as unheard of or unpopular as they may be. Of course, with that you get the risk of misinformation as well. So since the ideas behind scientific racism, the dark enlightenment, white supremacy, Nazism and anti-semitism, and any prejudice based on conservative or religious ideals (such as sexual or gender discrimination or anti LGBT prejudice) are neit…
If we were to take your argument back in time and apply it, what would we see?
"I mean...heliocentricism, really? Do we have to give Copernicus slosh any thought, we all know that God created the earth and then the heavens so it is only natural that they orbit the earth."
On the front page at the same time is a story about psilocybin and "What if a Pill Can Change Your Politics or Religious Beliefs?".
Right now we accept that sexual orientation is not a choice. What if in the future we find that exposure to chemical/compounds can cause people to become more gender norm conforming? What about less conforming to historical norms?
How would you propose we handle those possible futures? A drug that turns you gay is straight out of Alex Jones. A drug that turns men straight is straight out of conversion therapy.
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#226My wife nearly had an accident because of a huge ad billboard that suddenly displayed huge roaring flames, to advertise for some steakhouse. My general feeling is that these sort of intrusive, dangerous, anti-ecological (such a billboard consumes as much power as a family of 4), anti-social (one less worker to change billboards) ads should be banned, period.
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#227I'm not sure that counts as a phantom object. That's something that looks like a stop sign, positioned where a stop sign could be. Admittedly its only shown for half a second but I imagine a distracted driver who looked up suddenly could be equally fooled. Having video ads on screens that drivers can see and be distracted by is the real problem.
This is a solvable problem. Just another example of where "AI" is lacking a sense of intuition.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any money spent on public transportation would be better spent upgrading infrastructure to serve autonomous vehicles. Our bus system where I live travels with many busses nearly empty. This is what happens when they are funded by a percentage of property taxes rather than individuals paying per ride. A perfect example of government waste.
If nobody is using your public transport, that usually means that it's crap, not that it's overfunded. The vast majority of functioning public transport systems (that people actually use!) are not profitable. That is perfectly fine, because a public transport system, like many other types of infrastructure, has many positive externalities.
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
> projector at the ground in front of a Tesla and it crosses into oncoming traffic I don't understand why people come up with all these ridiculous "what if" ideas against autonomous cars as if it's anything new. It's already exceedingly easy to foul up a human driver. Stand next to a freeway and hold up a stop sign. Drop a foam mannequin from a bridge over the road. Paint some bogus lane lines. Shine a laser at their…
Perhaps because the promise of autonomy is that you will be able to let go, close your eyes, take a nap, or read a book. That is really hard to do if you have even a 0.0001% chance of hitting something and dying because your car didn't do something right. Sure, your chances of getting into an accident while driving your own car are higher, and some dummy could throw a turkey onto your windshield and kill you ...etc,…
Have you ever flown in a plane before? Some people are more nervous than others about giving up control but billions of people still do it because the benefits vastly outweigh slight anxiousness about that billion to one chance. People will not want to drive in an autonomous vehicle right up until they see they can give up their $40k car and hail a driverless taxi to go anywhere for pennies on the dollar.
Re: Hacked billboards make Teslas see phantom objects causing them to swerve or stop
#230I'm not sure that counts as a phantom object. That's something that looks like a stop sign, positioned where a stop sign could be. Admittedly its only shown for half a second but I imagine a distracted driver who looked up suddenly could be equally fooled. Having video ads on screens that drivers can see and be distracted by is the real problem.
Possibly, but many/most humans would quickly realize the sign was out of place, quickly vanished, etc and not stop the car or swerve too far. This is a solvable problem. Just another example of where "AI" is lacking a sense of intuition.