Why is Apple acting like an asshole? • Hacker News Board

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by saagarjha » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:34 PM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #173

saagarjha wrote: post #104

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Being able to point your users to an update to fix their problems when they come to you for support, or when they go to write an angry review that their app is crashing but they see “iOS 14 support” at the top of the app’s page, is likely to help there. Especially since the earliest adopters are frequently technically competent enough to do that but also frequently demanding enough that their apps work on day one.

So, maybe you can get to it in a couple of days. Fix what you can using the old SDK before GM build becomes available. Then you have a small amount of updates once apps using the new SDK can be submitted. The app will be temporarily broken for a few days on a brand new OS until the update goes live. Is that really a big deal? The world doesn't come to an end if you get a few bad reviews from impatient users. I rememb…

Ok, but surely you can understand why people would be upset with Apple for doing this when they had no reason to do so?

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by foepys » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:34 PM UTC

dionian wrote: post #201

foepys wrote: post #191

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True, but I can still run my program that I compiled back in 1999.

you also have largely the same OS and hardware architecture that you did in 1999

You make it sound like it's a bad thing.

My company can build and maintain a really big program with a minimal number of developers because Windows is so backwards-compatible. No need to rebuild everything every 3 years because APIs changed or some framework got deprecated. It's just running and running and running on our customer's hardware.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by api » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:34 PM UTC

RandallBrown wrote: post #206

pojntfx wrote: post #3

Honestly, this is why we need the Web. But Apple even blocks that since they don’t allow any browser engine apart from Safari, meaning that there is no - Add to homescreen dialog - Background sync - Proper push notifications - Proper WASM support (a lot of features are missing) Honestly, at this point, the government should step in, like they did at the end of the last century with Microsoft. Walled gardens hurt inno…

You can definitely add websites to your home screen on iOS.

I do this for Facebook to avoid summoning that demon on to my phone.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by scarface74 » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:35 PM UTC

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #218

scarface74 wrote: post #204

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How many apps that are just an interface to a website and could be viable as a website if only iOS Safari had push notifications would actually bring in any significant amount of revenue? Besides that, according to the latest App Store rules, apps that just surface cross platform services aren’t required to have in app purchases.

Breaking up your question into two pieces: > How many apps [could] be viable as a website if only iOS Safari had push notifications[?] I’d say a lot. > [How many of them] would actually bring in any significant amount of revenue? Adding this caveat doesn’t change my answer—but I really don’t like what it's implying. Software is not suddenly without value just because it doesn’t make money.

> I’d say a lot

Yet you didn’t name any. If that were the case, you should be able to name the equivalent web apps on Android that must be apps on iOS.

> Software is not suddenly without value just because it doesn’t make money.

So where are those “valuable” web apps on Android? Also revenue is the most objective way to measure value.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by Wowfunhappy » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:38 PM UTC

nlitened wrote: post #92

pojntfx wrote: post #3

Honestly, this is why we need the Web. But Apple even blocks that since they don’t allow any browser engine apart from Safari, meaning that there is no - Add to homescreen dialog - Background sync - Proper push notifications - Proper WASM support (a lot of features are missing) Honestly, at this point, the government should step in, like they did at the end of the last century with Microsoft. Walled gardens hurt inno…

Why wouldn't you use Android then? I would personally like to continue paying higher prices to protect myself from low-quality background-syncing byte-code-obfuscated web-pages with push notifications, please.

> Why wouldn't you use Android then?

Frankly, because everyone I know uses iMessage.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by temp667 » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:38 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #43

This article is missing the best part, that the new Xcode you have to use to build your app was released today at 11 AM, with a build number of ‘208. It was a really strange build in that it was missing components to build for Apple silicon: for that you need to use the old beta, which Apple has kept up on their website so you can juggle both. But that’s not all! Soon afterwards they changed the website saying the ne…

Question - why are apple downloads slow - I don't get it.

I've downloaded lots of stuff from google. Its rarely slow.

I use cloudfront on AWS - also rarely slow.

Apple - often slow. They have billions - is there something wrong with their caching layer at ISPs etc?

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by mirthflat83 » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:38 PM UTC

romanoderoma wrote: post #152

nlitened wrote: post #92

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Why wouldn't you use Android then? I would personally like to continue paying higher prices to protect myself from low-quality background-syncing byte-code-obfuscated web-pages with push notifications, please.

> I would personally like to continue paying higher prices to protect myself from low-quality background-syncing byte-code-obfuscated web-pages with push notifications are you really saying you would pay higher prices because you can' t press the "no" button and never visit the same website again?

Yes. I don’t want to press the “no” button for a 100 times.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by LanceH » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:38 PM UTC

fatnoah wrote: post #162

realusername wrote: post #66

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Yeah, I guess some people decided that technical errors helping you to find what is going on are "ugly".

Mac/iOS error: App just disappears Android error: App displays error and disappears Windows error: App displays error, possibly writes to error log, dumps memory to disk, and suggests you visit a URL that provides no useful information. None of them are great, but at least Windows gives you something to search for. EDIT: Formatting

Windows even offers to resolve the issue which, as I understand it, has never in the history of time resolved anything.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by matheusmoreira » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:38 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #62

realusername wrote: post #59

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> iOS developer hates with a passion and gives no useful information That's typical Apple, they are allergic to technical info and error display, when things are not working, there's no way to know why.

All in the name of UI cleanliness and simplicity . Like how there's no way to manually trigger the firmware update for the AirPods. You just have to keep them plugged in next to your iPhone and ... wait ... until some magic pixie in Apple's cloud decides it's time to push the update to you. Steve Jobs used to say it over and over again when criticized by angry developers[1] that their main focus will always be users…

> their main focus will always be users instead of developers and that the latter will just have to suck it up if they want to get a piece of the lucrative Apple user base pie

Developers are users as well. In the early days of computing, both terms were actually synonymous. If Apple designed the user interface of its programming environment so that the software developer cannot find out what went wrong and why, Apple deserves all the hatred it gets.

Also, this "lucrative Apple pie" is the only reason anyone even cares about it. If money is removed from the equation, I have no doubt developers would rather invest their time on a Linux system that doesn't insult their intelligence.

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Post by nemothekid » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:39 PM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #177

Razengan wrote: post #164

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> there is no - Add to homescreen dialog - Background sync - Proper push notifications All of those sound like things that will be abused by the majority of developers the minute they are allowed to inflict them upon users, either willingly or commanded to by their overlords in the name of ""Engagement""

I have not seen these things abused yet. The user agent prevents it.

Of course you haven’t seen them abused yet, iOS doesn’t allow it. I remember developers abusing notifications in Android Cupcake.