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Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by kyuudou » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 12:29 AM UTC

fellellor wrote: post #128

mc32 wrote: post #59

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This is in response to Chinese incursion into disputed territory that has left soldiers on both sides dead. Talking heads in India say these measures are Sun-Tsu like and mesmerized the enemy —Obviously the talking heads are propagandists, but on the other hand this is about the skirmishes on the Himalayas.

I’m glad that I’ve stopped watching TV news.

Me too, doomscrolling is such a waste of time. Any news I do follow is more local, constructive, positive. Lot less propaganda that way.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by nsriv » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 12:54 AM UTC

pagan42 wrote: post #154

addicted wrote: post #149

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The ruling government has destroyed the Indian economy with its arbitrary decisions. And sometimes the get the judiciary to chip in as well. The first real disaster to the Indian economy was the billions in retroactive taxes that were applied to telecoms. And then the attempt made by the government to break through the corporate firewalls and extract that money from foreign parents. That hit FDI immediately. That was…

Please cite your sources, exactly and to the point. Lockdown if executed in any way would have been abused by the people. People went on a rampage in *religious ( Taliban linked)" gatherings, India didn't had much cases but these bunch of people made sure the cases spread. It's the people to he blamed for the lockdown spread

And what was the Ayodhya temple inauguration but a superspreader event endorsed by the highest political power in the land, disguised as a religious gathering?

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by RandoHolmes » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 1:01 AM UTC

senojretep356 wrote: post #209

RandoHolmes wrote: post #122

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I don't think so. I knew an Iranian women who told me in Iran everyone knew how to setup and configure a VPN due to the restrictions they have in place. It's that way western countries because we don't have such restrictions.

India and Iran are not really comparable in terms of government control.

and neither are comparable to china, and yet the overarching idea, that strong government restrictions on the populace could drive said populace to be better educated in the use of ways around those restrictions still holds for all three.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by yumraj » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 1:32 AM UTC

magicsmoke wrote: post #186

yumraj wrote: post #184

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Technically phones are assembled in China also.

Xiaomi, Oneplus, and Huawei do phone design. To be fair, the design involves choosing from US/Taiwan designed/fabricated chips and gluing them together with firmware and PCB layouts, so it's not like China can replicate the entire phone manufacturing supply chain either.

I realized, I had missed an 'i'.

I had meant, "Technically iPhones are assembled in China also."

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 1:38 AM UTC

mayama wrote: post #198

addicted wrote: post #149

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The ruling government has destroyed the Indian economy with its arbitrary decisions. And sometimes the get the judiciary to chip in as well. The first real disaster to the Indian economy was the billions in retroactive taxes that were applied to telecoms. And then the attempt made by the government to break through the corporate firewalls and extract that money from foreign parents. That hit FDI immediately. That was…

Retroactive taxes was from previous gov. After recently launched PLI scheme, India has record high FDI inflows[1]. FDI was flat in 18 and 19, started increasing last year after corporate tax cut and further after PLI scheme. Of course, India still has long way to go regarding Ease of Doing Business, with byzantine land and permit laws, capital crunch for MSME etc.. Some states like UP, Gujarat are trying to get aroun…

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Post by thewhitetulip » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 2:11 AM UTC

ffpip wrote: post #60

thewhitetulip wrote: post #50

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One funny post I came across on Reddit. Future of India, Jio edition Once Jio is a monopoly, you'll have to get JioMilk from JioCow which'll be grazed on JioFarms using JioGrass in JioContainers. The cows will drink JioWater which'll come from JioMonsoon from JioRiver on JioMountain. You'll also use JioApps on JioAndroid (* in partnership with Google) which you'll buy from JioMart which'll use JioRouter and JioFiber…

Jiopoly. Half of the the things you mentioned are already a reality.

But they aren't the only shops right? In this future, they are the only JioShops available

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 2:25 AM UTC

ra7 wrote: post #166

ignoramous wrote: post #91

https://internetfreedom.in is doing important work in challenging the Indian government's surveillance and censorship apparatus. If you're passionate about this, consider donating to them and/or participating in the conversation. They're active, from time to time, on r/India as well. (not affiliated with them in anyway or form, but I do work on anti-censorship tech).

> https://internetfreedom.in is doing important work in challenging the Indian government's surveillance and censorship apparatus. > They're active, from time to time, on r/India as well. I'm all for challenging government surveillance and censorship. But the irony here is laughable given r/India's propensity to hand out bans like chocolates for anyone not subscribing to the groupthink.

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Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by ffpip » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 2:34 AM UTC

newyankee wrote: post #94

ignoramous wrote: post #91

https://internetfreedom.in is doing important work in challenging the Indian government's surveillance and censorship apparatus. If you're passionate about this, consider donating to them and/or participating in the conversation. They're active, from time to time, on r/India as well. (not affiliated with them in anyway or form, but I do work on anti-censorship tech).

If you visit r/india do visit r/indiadiscussion as well to see how r/india bans anyone that does not go against their views. It is the most censored subreddit i have ever seen and likely a battleground of information warfare. I would just suggest third party persons reading both this and above post to visit and analyze it for themselves.

r/Chodi wala ho kya?

I've always heard they ban people. Never seen any proof.

They ban people that abuse directly at a user I think. Or do personal promotion/spam.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by kumarvvr » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 2:57 AM UTC

addicted wrote: post #149

actuator wrote: post #95

I think this might be related to the Tibetan origin special forces soldier of Indian Army being killed in some recent altercation with PRC on their northern border.[1] I do think India is going on a slippery slope now. With Tiktok, one can even make a case of it being used to manipulate sentiments and being used for propoganda, but that argument can hardly be made for a game like PubG. It also brings into question wh…

The ruling government has destroyed the Indian economy with its arbitrary decisions. And sometimes the get the judiciary to chip in as well. The first real disaster to the Indian economy was the billions in retroactive taxes that were applied to telecoms. And then the attempt made by the government to break through the corporate firewalls and extract that money from foreign parents. That hit FDI immediately. That was…

> and now the arbitrary control over Chinese companies when China is probably the largest private investor in India right now

I do not fully agree with some of the other points made, but this I completely disagree. There are many reasons the banning of Chinese money and influence in India is a long term strategic security issue.

For the immediate short-term, there are Chinese tanks, fighter planes, artillery and soldiers gathering across the border with India, with multiple incidents and provocations. India still has the debacle of 1962 Sino-Chinese war fresh in it's mind. Couple that with the recent aggressive posturing, land grabs and general disregard for the rights of other countries displayed by China, it is obvious why Chinese capital and companies have to be banned or reduced.

You cannot have trade / exchanges with a country that is on the verge of attacking you. The very fact that China chose a military display of power to provoke India, very clearly shows that China does not respect India and it's sovereignty.

Now you may couple this with other aspects of Indian domestic and foreign policies, but those have to be solved through other channels. Not by military force.

Perhaps you are from the US, and believe that global flow of capital is more important and sacred than other issues, but I would encourage you to have a look from a different perspective.

Investments by Chinese companies in various countries around the world makes it clear that China is trying to influence internal politics of other nations through it's money and loans.

Please read how Chinese companies have wreaked havoc in Africa and South-east Asia.

At this point of time, China simply cannot be trusted by India and Indians. Neither should other countries. Because, in the long term, China has plans for world domination and being a super power. But that is not based on sound values, like that in the US constitution, but based on authoritarian diktats and a world view where Chinese usually see no one is their equal or even close to being one.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by kumarvvr » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 3:06 AM UTC

green-bottle wrote: post #5

Like all other internet bans in India I doubt this one will have any teeth. Everyone has a "Free" VPN app that they use to bypass these restrictions. Most people own Android phones where they can sideload apps downloaded from some third party APK website (of questionable trustworthiness) iPhones have negligible penetration in India so are not even a part of the equation.

The ones who will use a VPN to access stuff, are generally of above average IQ, who are less susceptible to propaganda. Not entirely immune, but less susceptible.

Leaving that aside, bans have a very real impact, even if there are other channels to access banned content. You cannot advertise banned content, you cannot distribute it en-masse, you cannot hold competitions, etc, etc. All these have massive effects on the marketing and sales channels.

Sure, some %age of people will use it from VPNs and stuff, but those are few and far between.

In case of online games, people may simply move to other games like Fortnite or what not.

I know tech-savvy software developers of mine, who hardly side load apps. Why? Side loading apps when a secure and curated app store is available is generally avoided due to security and other issues.

In India, with every smartphone having digital payment apps, and the prevalence of scams and frauds, most middle class, urban teens and adults will generally avoid side loading apps. You can safely assume that many in rural areas, are not even aware of side loading stuff.