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Zoom is now critical infrastructure – that’s a concern

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Post by krapp »

ShamelessC wrote: post #220
devmunchies wrote: post #166

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> The industrial revolution and all of its consequences may not have been exclusively a disaster for the human race for those unaware, this is based from the first line from Ted Kaczynski's "Unabomber Manifesto" , which starts with "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race". It's actually an interesting read, that is... as long as you don't feel hostility towards rebeliou…

Oh, wow. Starts off fairly innocent then comes in with this craziness - "Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American Indians), repellent (homosexuals) or otherwise inferior. The leftists themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely because…

That pathological contempt for "the left" is how you know you're dealing with a work of true intellectual gravity.

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Post by youeseh »

thechao wrote: post #12
youeseh wrote: post #7

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For those that haven't tried Jitsi - my friends and I catch up on it almost daily. It is awesome. The phone app is great too. You can setup a room that people can jump in and out of, which is pretty convenient. If you're looking for that office feel for your small team, then Jitsi might be worth a shot. And, I think you can host your own server if you'd like to!

Have you used Lifesize? I'm not fond of either Hangouts or Zoom.

I have not tried Lifesize.

Re: Zoom is now critical infrastructure – that’s a concern

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Post by Robotbeat »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #155
Robotbeat wrote: post #92

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It’s a shame there isn’t seamless ability to Facetime with Android users like there is to make a voice call or text with them. We (read: tech community and/or society) should fix this. It’d be in society’s interest if a video call between android and Apple was as easy as a voice call is. (and I do think Facetime between Apple users is this easy... I sometimes use Facetime purely because my WiFi is a little better tha…

Google's built-in app (Duo) is made available on iOS, but Facetime isn't made available on Android. Apple could easily open up Facetime and iMessage, and they've evaluated doing exactly this, but they ultimately determined that keeping these pieces of communication software exclusive to Apple devices is a big part of why the devices themselves are so sticky.

This may be a spot where regulation would be to the advantage of the consumer.

Re: Zoom is now critical infrastructure – that’s a concern

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Post by devmunchies »

ShamelessC wrote: post #220
devmunchies wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The industrial revolution and all of its consequences may not have been exclusively a disaster for the human race for those unaware, this is based from the first line from Ted Kaczynski's "Unabomber Manifesto" , which starts with "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race". It's actually an interesting read, that is... as long as you don't feel hostility towards rebeliou…

Oh, wow. Starts off fairly innocent then comes in with this craziness - "Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American Indians), repellent (homosexuals) or otherwise inferior. The leftists themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely because…

yeah, read around that stuff. most important are the bits related to tech.

Re: Zoom is now critical infrastructure – that’s a concern

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Post by devmunchies »

krapp wrote: post #221
ShamelessC wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, wow. Starts off fairly innocent then comes in with this craziness - "Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American Indians), repellent (homosexuals) or otherwise inferior. The leftists themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely because…

That pathological contempt for "the left" is how you know you're dealing with a work of true intellectual gravity.

There's lots of geniuses who are a little crazy or unhinged. e.g. bobby fischer

Re: Zoom is now critical infrastructure – that’s a concern

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Post by 0xdeadb00f »

nicoburns wrote: post #4

> But in many of the verticals in these sectors—such as banking or mobile phone services—no single company dominates the market. I don't think that's true of video-conferencing either. Zoom is probably the most popular (and technically superior), but there is also: Microsoft Teams, Webex, Google Meet, Slack, and many others, including open source options like Jitsi. And they all pretty much do the job.

technically superior? I find it quite limiting and bare as an end user.

Re: Zoom is now critical infrastructure – that’s a concern

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Post by pvg »

devmunchies wrote: post #225
krapp wrote: post #221

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That pathological contempt for "the left" is how you know you're dealing with a work of true intellectual gravity.

There's lots of geniuses who are a little crazy or unhinged. e.g. bobby fischer

He was a raging anti-semite, holocaust denier, etc.

Re: Zoom is now critical infrastructure – that’s a concern

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Post by devmunchies »

pvg wrote: post #227
devmunchies wrote: post #225

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There's lots of geniuses who are a little crazy or unhinged. e.g. bobby fischer

He was a raging anti-semite, holocaust denier, etc.

again, "geniuses who are a little crazy or unhinged".

Re: Zoom is now critical infrastructure – that’s a concern

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Post by pvg »

devmunchies wrote: post #228
pvg wrote: post #227

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He was a raging anti-semite, holocaust denier, etc.

again, "geniuses who are a little crazy or unhinged".

Bigotry is just bigotry not a quirky trait of genius, as much as a one-time chess champion is a 'genius'.

Re: Zoom is now critical infrastructure – that’s a concern

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Post by zestyping »

kiwijamo wrote: post #206
zestyping wrote: post #195

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The UI is complicated, yes. But the actual video calling is better than I've experienced in any other product. Google Hangouts/Meet invariably slows down my whole machine and causes the laptop fans to spin up. Zoom never does that. And the video streams in Zoom have higher quality to boot.

I think also the UI is complex because of all the different use cases Zoom can be used for. I work for a Deaf school where it is not uncommon for >50% (if not 100%) of participants in a meeting to use sign language. While Zoom is not perfect for this use case (it has many defaults which assume people want audio) it offers many features which makes it easier to manage meetings. The most complex meetings we have are wh…

It's pretty awesome that it serves the Deaf community well! Thanks for giving me another perspective I wasn't aware of before.
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