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Re: αcτµαlly pδrταblε εxεcµταblε

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Post by terminalcommand »

modeless wrote: post #48
ChrisSD wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> C compiler is installed It's a great idea but that part is a big ask for any Windows user who doesn't develop desktop applications.

True. I'm imagining this as useful mostly for build scripts or other developer tools. To the extent that it's useful at all.

It is actually pretty useful. If you’re given a locked down machine (for example in your company), you can write code in notepad, compile it with csc.exe and run it. As it is generated on the local machine, you may get to be able to execute it. (I tried this once when I was super bored at an intership, and a hello world program compiled and ran.)

Re: αcτµαlly pδrταblε εxεcµταblε

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Post by btilly »

tgb wrote: post #159
hvenev wrote: post #78

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It's somehow worse than "toys ya us".

No that's a reversed-R which happens to look identical like a Cyrillic letter. I don't think that's a problem any more than getting confused and trying to pronounce a circle in a logo as an "o". In contrast, the text here is trying to look Greek but doing it poorly.

That Cyrillic letter happens to be pronounced "ya".

Re: αcτµαlly pδrταblε εxεcµταblε

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Post by dracodoc »

It's funny. In China there used to be a time when high school students like to use rarely used Chinese characters, which are only similar to the intentional character in shape instead of meaning.

They think that's cool. This style was called brain damaged style. https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/63502990

什庅bai湜焱暒妏？举些瑺鼡哋唎ふ。du 什庅湜悩残軆？举些瑺鼡哋唎ふ。 什庅湜zhi悱炷蓅？举些瑺鼡哋唎ふ。 莓兲想埝祢巳宬儰⒈种漝惯

Re: αcτµαlly pδrταblε εxεcµταblε

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Post by jart »

saagarjha wrote: post #94
comex wrote: post #91

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On my Big Sur machine, `bash ./hello.com` works the first time, but then it overwrites itself(!) with a Mach-O, so further executions have to be `./hello.com`.

Yup, that matches my experience running the example (I also had to put it in $PATH for the command -v in the header to work). I built program.com myself and it seems to be missing the DOS header for some reason, so it just doesn't execute at all…I'd file a bug, but I have no idea if she is interested in supporting it or if I can provide any useful information besides "it doesn't work".

Glad to hear you're using it! You can ping me on Google Hangouts (jtunney@gmail.com) for help. We also might be able to set up a Slack or IRC channel to iron out these issues. I actually didn't post this thread because I was still working on fixing the long tail of minor bugs. But now that the project has caught everyone's attention, we might be able to fix them sooner!

Re: αcτµαlly pδrταblε εxεcµταblε

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Post by Koshkin »

hellectronic wrote: post #95
mastazi wrote: post #77

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"actmally rdrtable execmtable" that's more or less how it reads to someone who knows the Greek alphabet :-D (I might be partially wrong because I've studied Greek many years ago and my memory is not good)

Γορ μεμορι ις στιλλ γκουτ

Shouldn’t it be ‘γκουvт’?

Re: αcτµαlly pδrταblε εxεcµταblε

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Post by simias »

jart wrote: post #206
simias wrote: post #152

It's a very cool hack and technically interesting, but I can't say that I share the author's "serious" rationale: >So I think it's really the best of times to be optimistic about systems engineering. We agree more on sharing things in common than we ever have. There are still outliers like the plans coming out of Apple and Microsoft we hear about in the news, where they've sought to pivot PCs towards ARM. [...] >If a…

Author here. The intention behind the post is actually very simple. I want to be able to write stdio socket programs that run at native speed, and share them with my friends online. I don't want to have conversations like here's how you install steel bank common lisp and compile tensorflow and remove the toolbar that oracle bundled in the installer. I'm also not concerned about running software on telephones since do…

I hope I didn't come off as too negative, I think it's a really cool hack.

I guess the people I could see myself sharing binaries with are either too clueless to use the command line or savvy enough that installing a compiler/interpreter is not an issue.

Re: αcτµαlly pδrταblε εxεcµταblε

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Post by Koshkin »

ljm wrote: post #204
axegon_ wrote: post #74

People... Please stop using foreign alphabets like that! It's a nightmare for those of us who know the alphabets. It took me a good 20 seconds to read the title. And it's magnitudes worse when someone uses cyrillic for instance and it's native to me.

I've learned some degree of Russian (and certainly enough to roughly read Greek) and even that's enough for me to have to take a few passes to parse it as English. The only boundary this transcends is readability and is ironically not portable at all. edit for readability: тхе онлу боундары тхис трансцендс ис реадабилиты анд ис ироницаллы нот портабле ат алл.

И вхолехеартедлы агрее.

Re: αcτµαlly pδrταblε εxεcµταblε

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Post by ChrisSD »

trasz wrote: post #115
ChrisSD wrote: post #35

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I believe the claim is that there exists a stable subset: > Bell System Five is the umbrella term we use to describe Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and Mac OS X which all have nearly-identical application binary interfaces that stood the test of time, having definitions nearly the same as those of AT&T back in the 1980's. However, only Linux guarantees stability at this level so I too am very sceptical that this will "stan…

FreeBSD guarantees syscall ABI stability too.

Do you have a source for that? The closest I could find suggests otherwise, but admittedly I haven't yet found a more relevant document on policy:

> No compatibility for API and ABI is guaranteed from one to the next major release, though an effort is made to make the upgrade process and source code changes as untroubled as possible.

https://wiki.freebsd.org/VendorInformation

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Post by scotu »

lnanek2 wrote: post #215
axegon_ wrote: post #74

People... Please stop using foreign alphabets like that! It's a nightmare for those of us who know the alphabets. It took me a good 20 seconds to read the title. And it's magnitudes worse when someone uses cyrillic for instance and it's native to me.

It's a bad thing to do for attention, like hacker elite speak using numbers would be, but is that why the author did that? Did you read the article? It's about a file that can be read by all Unix, Windows, and MacOS. Part of how that happens is one OS mistakes some other text for executable code while the other OS doesn't. Therefore the title of the article written in multiple language letters and somewhat readable i…

I would argue you could write an informative title, and reserve the problematic text for the article text, where you can explain why you are doing that. Just like the comment you were responding to I can't imagine screen reader users are super stoked by how "appropriate" this title is
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