First url shortner (goo.gl) now this;
Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86
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Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86
#222IMO this is the real reason why they're pushing hard towards this: However, it's also worth considering that making the web address less important, as this feature does, benefits Google as a company. Google's goal with Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) and similar technologies is to keep users on Google-hosted content as much as possible, and Chrome for Android already modifies the address bar on AMP pages to hide that…
To play the devil's advocate, Apple's Safari has been hiding full addresses for quite a while, without having any direct benefit as a company as far as I know.
Safari has little to none marketshare.
Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It maybe because the design people think people are too stupid to understand URLs You may be right, but it's hard to see why this would be a concern in 2020. The number of users who have actually grown up with URLs in their childhood increases all the time.
Anecdotally, it seems computer literacy is actually dropping over time. I taught an entry-level scripting course aimed at medical graduate students for several years, and each year the number of students who did not comprehend even the concept of files and folders was higher than the previous year.
That's entirely our industry's fault. After all, there are no files anymore, just cloud documents on remote websites.
Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86
#224IMO this is the real reason why they're pushing hard towards this: However, it's also worth considering that making the web address less important, as this feature does, benefits Google as a company. Google's goal with Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) and similar technologies is to keep users on Google-hosted content as much as possible, and Chrome for Android already modifies the address bar on AMP pages to hide that…
To play the devil's advocate, Apple's Safari has been hiding full addresses for quite a while, without having any direct benefit as a company as far as I know.
It only does this on mobile, as far as I can tell; using desktop Safari as my primary browser, I'm not seeing this.
Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86
#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only difference is that Google has endlessly more clout and depth than AOL and my fear is that where AOL failed, Google may succeed. With Firefox succumbing this week, this is pretty horrible. I’m not a Richard Stallman type, but I think it’s come to the point where if you have even the slightest pretense of being a “free web” person, using Chrome or a Chromium-based browser has become unconscionable. This compan…
Color picker seems to work great in the CSS Properties at least :D
Works great but Chrome’s lets you change HSL and other modes. I like the ability to tweak luminance or saturation right in the browser.
Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yes, I know the 95% out there who don't even know what a browser is but only know Chrome's icon gives access to the web won't understand any of this I find it fascinating how some people in tech bubbles think everyone else is a stupid sheep who can't possibly understand such incredibly complex concepts like what a "browser" is.
I've met very intelligent people who have zero understanding of computers: they have been trained to click certain icons to be able to reach google for a search. I'd be interested in data supporting either more or less fluency than we might expect - but you wont be able to do an online survey to get it :)
> I've met very intelligent people who have zero understanding of computers
I'm curious - how do you reconcile thinking they're very intelligent with thinking that they're utterly unable to grasp the basic concepts of computing?
And that, precisely, is my point: as an industry we'd rather tell ourselves that it's all so impossibly hard and beyond the grasp of the common person rather than admit that we just suck at explaining things and educating people outside our bubbles.
Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86
#227Something I haven't seen anyone here bring up yet: many URLs are meaningless to humans past the domain. For an example, look at the top of this page. The only semantic meaning in the URL for this post is `news.ycombinator.com`. The rest, `item?id=24156986`, is meaningless to a human. (But, of course, meaningful to HN's backend.) A lot of (most?) of the URLs on the web are not semantic . They're naked application look…
>The rest, `item?id=24156986`, is meaningless to a human Removing Url's is throwing the baby out with the bathwater though. Take Stack Overflow for an example: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53302536/vue-test-utils-... The only thing you need to actually get to the question is https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53302536 , but they intentionally add an extra human readable section for laypeople. If google actual…
That extra human readable section is not added for humans. It’s added for SEO. That is, for Google.
Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only difference is that Google has endlessly more clout and depth than AOL and my fear is that where AOL failed, Google may succeed. With Firefox succumbing this week, this is pretty horrible. I’m not a Richard Stallman type, but I think it’s come to the point where if you have even the slightest pretense of being a “free web” person, using Chrome or a Chromium-based browser has become unconscionable. This compan…
Consider also changing your default search to StartPage or Duck Duck Go
Yes. For sure. Sadly I find myself g!-ing all the time but good to at least try them first. Sometimes I g! and go back, which always feels serendipitous.
Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are going back to AOL days. That didn’t work out so well for AOL in the long run. It’s kind of crazy to me you can’t do marketing now without at least discussing Google and Facebook these days. Edit: at least you knew you were the customer with AOL and paid them with clear terms for access.
The only difference is that Google has endlessly more clout and depth than AOL and my fear is that where AOL failed, Google may succeed. With Firefox succumbing this week, this is pretty horrible. I’m not a Richard Stallman type, but I think it’s come to the point where if you have even the slightest pretense of being a “free web” person, using Chrome or a Chromium-based browser has become unconscionable. This compan…
The problem is that there are simply no good free browsers that are not Chromium-based or Firefox. It doesn't seem viable or worthwhile to write a web rendering engine from the ground up. We're heading rapidly towards a Blink/Webkit monoculture.
Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86
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> our source told us Moz will likely pocket $400m to $450m a year between now and 2023 from the arrangement Why in hell did they lay off MDN, Rust/Servo and Dev Tools teams?
IIRC the supposed "burden" of lowering Cxx suite salaries played a non-insignificant role.
Shouldn't they keep Rust with a goal of lowering dependence on Cxx in general?