The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

Post by sidibe » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 9:39 PM UTC

osrec wrote: post #142

raz32dust wrote: post #103

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"Everything Apple is doing is helping make a better app store for me." - it is the benevolent dictator fallacy[1]. You cannot say dictatorship is good because one dictator seems to have done good things. In the same way, just because Apple has been nice so far (in you opinion at least) doesn't mean that the practice itself is good. [1] Don't google it. I made it up.

There's a certain amount of brainwashing I've come to expect from Apple users. My sibling uses a MacBook, but remotes into a Windows machine in order to use Excel and Word, as the native versions on Mac don't seem to have all the advanced functionality. As far as I can tell, there is no specific other use case for the MacBook for my sibling. Yet, they're convinced that their purchase was a great one (I only hear the…

Post by simonh » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 9:40 PM UTC

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So the reward for developing a successful valuable product that hundreds of millions of people like and trust, is to take it away and give it to somebody else? Wow. If that consortium is so great, why don’t they just make their own product. Let the public decide what they want.

Their reward is being the most valuable company in both the world, and perhaps much of human history. Their reward for restrictive anti-competitive behaviors is antitrust investigations.

Post by millstone » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 9:42 PM UTC

tootie wrote: post #49

simonh wrote: post #12

The only monopoly here is Apple’s monopoly on designing its own products. The iPhone, iOS, it’s development tools and the App Store are all Apple products, so Apple gets to decide what features they have. It’s also not unusual for companies to make deals with third parties to include their technology and software in their products, often as optional chargeable extras. That’s all the App Store is, it’s a way to add op…

I'd love to see a Congressional panel ask why developers need an OSX device to build for iOS and still have to pay a fee to Apple for the privilege.

Post by albertop » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 9:44 PM UTC

raz32dust wrote: post #103

spullara wrote: post #9

As a consumer, I am 100% in favor of the way run the app store. I don't want to give random apps my credit card. I don't want to have 18 accounts to keep track of. I don't want to have to call telephone support to cancel my account. I don't want malware in my apps. I don't want apps to have my email if they don't need it. I don't need another middleman for content companies license and distribute. Everything Apple is…

"Everything Apple is doing is helping make a better app store for me." - it is the benevolent dictator fallacy[1]. You cannot say dictatorship is good because one dictator seems to have done good things. In the same way, just because Apple has been nice so far (in you opinion at least) doesn't mean that the practice itself is good. [1] Don't google it. I made it up.

Post by rubber_duck » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 9:45 PM UTC

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Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #38

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It's not like someone will force you paying without your consent. If you don't want to give random apps your credit card, don't give it to them. Why do you oppose other people's right to do that, if they need it?

Many apps, if not a large majority, would start doing this. That destroys the convenience and user experience. If every app does this there isn't any consumer choice about it.