Just going to chime with everyone else pointing it out:
BIG MYSTERY
Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Added source of the case to the OP. And yes, retribution is designed to prevent vigilantism. As that is psychology I can't really give a better source than [0]. Obviously retribution is not meant to go by itself, but along with rehabilitation. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retributive_justice#Purposes
>>American who at age 16 And you believe we should not treat minors different than Adults? this is another area where i disagree with many, as I 100% disagree with this modern trend of prosecuting teens as adults
> And you believe we should not treat minors different than Adults?
Yes
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
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What if a biological male is assigned female gender at birth? Would they be transgender, or just female?
1. When is that going to happen? (Genuinely curious if it does happen) 2. It is really up to the person.
Regarding 1:
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
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It's always going to be confusing but I believe "transgender woman" is unambiguously someone assigned male gender at birth who identifies as a woman.
What if a biological male is assigned female gender at birth? Would they be transgender, or just female?
That's part of the reason that "biological male" isn't a highly informative/technically-precise term, but assuming you mean something like Swyer syndrome, there isn't really a reason to worry about estrogen making them infertile, so in context using the phrase "transgender women" would have been clear regardless.
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
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> men pursuing a change in gender are expected to sign their name or initial in the box at least ten times in a row in order to receive their prescription This is not true, at least not anywhere I've gotten Estradiol. Also, while I'm sure you intended to be respectful with your comment, most people getting this treatment see themselves as women who are changing their bodies to match their gender, not as men who are c…
How should one phrase that sentence without it becoming completely confusing? Would it be offensive to say "a person with an x and y chromosome"? Even though gender is only a social construct... for some reason, taking estrogen will have totally different effects on a person, depending on that gender.
Gender is not a social construct. Your gender is the ability to become pregnant or to impregnate someone. This statement is not about politics, its just mere biology.
What's socially constructed is how your gender is presented or implied because of said society. No matter how society "constructs" your gender, you're still biologically male or female.
Even with gender reassignment surgery - your'e still biologically male or female, its just that the "presentation" of your organs have been surgically altered.
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
> men pursuing a change in gender are expected to sign their name or initial in the box at least ten times in a row in order to receive their prescription This is not true, at least not anywhere I've gotten Estradiol. Also, while I'm sure you intended to be respectful with your comment, most people getting this treatment see themselves as women who are changing their bodies to match their gender, not as men who are c…
How should one phrase that sentence without it becoming completely confusing? Would it be offensive to say "a person with an x and y chromosome"? Even though gender is only a social construct... for some reason, taking estrogen will have totally different effects on a person, depending on that gender.
"transgender women pursuing medical transition" or "transgender women pursuing HRT" would both be accurate and non-confusing options in that sentence.
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#227"oppositional defiant disorder" That's what they call mouthy rebels these days
Like many behaviours, it can range from "personality trait" to "disorder", with a lot of grey area in between. I'm not hugely in favour of quickly applying the "disorder" label based on my personal experience of being stamped with such things which, in my opinion, are merely "personality traits" which were labelled "disorders" by well-intentioned but overly zealous mental health professionals, but that doesn't mean they don't exist in some people.
I don't know the specifics of this case.
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An adolescent boy grows breasts and then wants to stay in his room all day. It could well be all about body shame, trying to protect himself from social trauma. The rate of suicide among people who transition on purpose is so extremely high. What must it be among people who are transitioned by force.
Giving someone the wrong hormones is one way to induce gender dysphoria in non-trans people, so suicide rate there should be similar to that of trans people with unmanaged gender dysphoria. Suicide rates among people who transition are generally correlated with minority stress [1,2], not transition itself: "The myth that transition leads to SITBs continues to be used to deny transgender health care access and legisla…
Probably worse. It's not just going through dysphoria, it's having it forced upon you via coercion.
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
How should one phrase that sentence without it becoming completely confusing? Would it be offensive to say "a person with an x and y chromosome"? Even though gender is only a social construct... for some reason, taking estrogen will have totally different effects on a person, depending on that gender.
Gender is not a social construct. Your gender is the ability to become pregnant or to impregnate someone. This statement is not about politics, its just mere biology. What's socially constructed is how your gender is presented or implied because of said society. No matter how society "constructs" your gender, you're still biologically male or female. Even with gender reassignment surgery - your'e still biologically m…
So post-menopausal people are genderless?
(If you say "but they were women, so we define them as continuing to be women," then I"m going to ask you about congenital azoospermia.)
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
> men pursuing a change in gender are expected to sign their name or initial in the box at least ten times in a row in order to receive their prescription This is not true, at least not anywhere I've gotten Estradiol. Also, while I'm sure you intended to be respectful with your comment, most people getting this treatment see themselves as women who are changing their bodies to match their gender, not as men who are c…
I'm sure you intended to be respectful with your comment, but why are women changing their bodies to match their gender superior to men changing their bodies to match their gender?
Nobody said anything about "superior". Men changing their bodies to match their gender are generally not prescribed estrogen, so it doesn't make sense to reference them in the context of people being prescribed estrogen, that's all.