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Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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The first point has an obvious response and the last is speculative. I find interesting to address the middle one statistically. A given machine has a number of random events that can kill it. Each possible event type i can be modeled as a Poisson process Xᵢ with, in a given year, probability λᵢ. The machine survives in a given year if no occurrence of event i happens, with probability Pr(Xᵢ = 0) = exp(-λᵢ). For inst…

Why does your argument not show that cars would have a similar lifetime?

It shows that cars can never reach the pricepoint of a bike for the same lifetime, because the increased number of failure points require an increased level of quality of each part to yield the same lifetime.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Things it can't do: - go up stairs - get up after a fall / reset itself - pick up heavy objects - precise motion (so no cooking) - interact with buttons or touch screens (so laundry might be hard) The one use case I think it might be worth it is if the robot can take a room full of toys and return everything back to where it belongs. Kind of like a one click, reset this room. If it can help me keep organized and clea…

That’s fine because I am not ok with a robot in the house that can strangle me in my sleep.

Not being able to walk upstairs is a feature.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Contrarian point of view -- (edit) this clever device overall takes too much capital and solves no real problem, meanwhile pressing and urgent problems needing tech, remain unaddressed, year after year.

For centuries, real, physical actions in home life were improved with (mainly mechanical) devices subject to patent. The industrial revolution provides vast flows of consumer goods. Finance prospered (mainly) with loans, interest, and selling inventions like these, on large markets.

Fast forward 100+ years. Daily life is unimaginably easy, due to mass market goods for cheap, standardized living and generally, massive energy use. Markets constantly create products designed to be profitable given some game rules. Yet, there are diminishing returns. Vast, serious, ok yes urgent challenges face individuals and society, right now, and have been known for several decades.

An analogy might be the stunning success of mathematics in physics over the last 100+ years, sends multiple other soft sciences scouring math for certain curves or constants, because it worked for physics. Repeatedly, social science for example, is subject to physics-like curves and constants, searching for computable understanding, which is probably not appropriate to the endeavor.

The market is scouring product space, using formulas from long ago, to make the "killer" product. They say it here in the comments. This is to make money for people who are already very wealthy, using formulas that include massive diminishing returns (huge capital, you bet), and basically solve no real problem. Labor is over-abundant in modern times. People are living in isolation in Western Cities, and this is an isolation device. A very modest arrangement with a living person who needs work to earn money in the city, would solve the "problem" here, and requires no capital.

I suggest these talented, funded inventors look more deeply at the real ecosystem we are faced with overall, and get off of the gerbil wheel of get-rich personal consumption devices, because overall, societal survival actually does depend on tech right now.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

#224

Contrarian point of view -- (edit) this clever device overall takes too much capital and solves no real problem, meanwhile pressing and urgent problems needing tech, remain unaddressed, year after year. For centuries, real, physical actions in home life were improved with (mainly mechanical) devices subject to patent. The industrial revolution provides vast flows of consumer goods. Finance prospered (mainly) with loa…

Societal survival depends on societies accepting the use of existing technology - nuclear power.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Things it can't do: - go up stairs - get up after a fall / reset itself - pick up heavy objects - precise motion (so no cooking) - interact with buttons or touch screens (so laundry might be hard) The one use case I think it might be worth it is if the robot can take a room full of toys and return everything back to where it belongs. Kind of like a one click, reset this room. If it can help me keep organized and clea…

Things it can't do (extended): - operate in your particular setting (it's likely over-trained for that specific environment) - run for long periods of time as a fully autonomous robot - be anywhere near small humans or animals - do any of the tasks in the video with any kind of speed or precision - learn new tasks - handle multiple objectives, or even process the request of a single objective reliably This is nowhere…

Since when do we define the value of something by the infinite list of things it can't do?

I could make a list a mile long of all the things my dishwasher cannot do... does that mean no HNs have dishwashers?

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Contrarian point of view -- (edit) this clever device overall takes too much capital and solves no real problem, meanwhile pressing and urgent problems needing tech, remain unaddressed, year after year. For centuries, real, physical actions in home life were improved with (mainly mechanical) devices subject to patent. The industrial revolution provides vast flows of consumer goods. Finance prospered (mainly) with loa…

Societal survival depends on societies accepting the use of existing technology - nuclear power.

I hate seeing this in every single Reddit or HN thread about the future of energy. Nuclear power is a great option but it isn't the end all be all of energy. It's just another (probably less harmful than fossil fuels) stopgap.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Or you could teach your kids to clean up their toys themselves. Make it a fun game for example. Set an example by putting away your own groceries as soon as you put them in the kitchen. Boom 5k saved. Maybe they will grow up to not be the type of person who leaves all of their crap on the table of the university table after they are done studying. To be clear: I am not shifting on you as a parent. I am making fun of…

People used to say the same things about dishwashers, vacuum cleaners, powered lawn mowers, etc. Heck, one could imagine Og the caveperson lamenting that their kids don’t know how to drag stones properly anymore given that new fangled wheel invention. Don’t worry, we will find other ways to discipline and train our kids as tech marches forward.

Part of any organism's objective is to do more with less. Being efficient is a predictor of success in nature. Being efficient provides you and your family with health and security.

Obviously this evolutionary bias has gone a little off the rails with humans and we now have health and psychological problems as a result of efficiencies. I guess that's where self governance kicks in, unlike other organisms we can reason and adapt in spite of our fundamental evolutionary programming. Whether or not this evolutionary experiment works out is still yet to be determined.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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a human cleaner isn't really a perfect substitute for a robot. people might feel uncomfortable with having a human worker in their house for a variety of reasons. most people I know actually clean their whole house before the cleaning service shows up. you don't have to feel guilt/embarrassment at the state of your house when the robot starts working. I could imagine a lot of people might be willing to pay a premium…

And humans can't come over during a pandemic. For high risk people, this might be a good alternative for normally-simple tasks they can't do by themselves.

Now I just picture someone passing away quietly only to be found weeks or even months later in a still immaculately clean house.
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