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New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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Would a checksum be a good way to ensure that you're getting the correct files in a situation like this?

How are you going to confirm you got the correct checksum?

Generally the solution is to get signed checksums. This comes with the usual issues of how you verify the key used to sign.

Alternatively try and distribute the checksums out-of-band. So an attacker would need to MitM two channels.

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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To not even be sure whether a website you visit, or a file you download is actually what its creator says it is, is like picking up an orange but the government secretly replaces it with an apple that contains almost no vitamin C in it at all. You have the right to seek out and eat an orange for your immune system and survival, and no government should have the right to interfere with that, at any time. This law is a…

Germany has a proven history of doing very bad things, just check the last century and a half and it is hard to find something worse. By comparison, messing up with your computer is a gesture of goodwill, they could give you some Cyclon.

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But as a state they forbid sales of Mein Kampf and Nazi paraphernalia, so they're cool and anti-fascist... /s

(Not invoking the Godwin law, this is an actual comment on an actual situation, to point the hypocrisy of token anti-totalitarian moves - 70 years too late - vs actual totalitarian law-making...)

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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It's not. Modern CDU/CSU are basically where the social democrats were about ten years ago.

> Modern CDU/CSU are basically where the social democrats were about ten years ago. relevant?

That too. But I was mostly referring to political positions.

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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It's not. Modern CDU/CSU are basically where the social democrats were about ten years ago.

You are confusing social politics, economic politics and interior politics.

No, I don't.

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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Tor might not protect anonymity effectively in that case, but in the case given it would still offer protection because of the way the relay circuits are designed.

Unless it's an exit node. 251 of 1,249 exit nodes reside in Germany, or roughly 20%. Exit nodes aren't supposed to modify traffic, so if the compromise is happening upon leaving the exit node en route to whatever destination, that would still trickle back through all the hops.

This is why you still use TLS/HTTPS with tor.

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> Conservative internet-printers By association Otto Schily wasn't a conservative and yet...

Otto Schily exited office in 2005, fifteen years ago. While he is a law-and-order hardliner himself, he's not relevant for any recent discussions. Since then the office was filled by hardline authoritarians (Schäuble, Maiziere, HP Friedrich, Maiziere, Seehofer).

But if Schily is any indication (and why not?) it doesn't help to have a different party fill that position. Just like it took Nixon to go to China (because he wasn't at risk of being mistaken for a friend of communism) other partys can't afford to look much "weaker" than the current folks - and then have _anything_ go wrong.

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Otto Schily exited office in 2005, fifteen years ago. While he is a law-and-order hardliner himself, he's not relevant for any recent discussions. Since then the office was filled by hardline authoritarians (Schäuble, Maiziere, HP Friedrich, Maiziere, Seehofer).

But if Schily is any indication (and why not?) it doesn't help to have a different party fill that position. Just like it took Nixon to go to China (because he wasn't at risk of being mistaken for a friend of communism) other partys can't afford to look much "weaker" than the current folks - and then have _anything_ go wrong.

> But if Schily is any indication (and why not?) it doesn't help to have a different party fill that position.

I agree on that one. There aren't many progressives in interior politics aside from Left and Greens, the rest is all authoritarian/law-and-order hardliners. Frankly, it's disgusting.

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I've tried to explain my thoughts on this before, so I'll give it the ol college try again. I propose that the decentralized anarchistic, freedom of thought nature of the internet has essentially forced an acceleration the timetables for the totalitarian dystopian system. The internet caught the oligarchs off guard, in the big scheme of things (the oligarchs make plans that their grandchildren execute)... and it took…

It weirds me out that you're probably the first person I've seen in years on the internet saying something this "bold" and unambiguous. I often wonder if there's some system in place which separates us. Or perhaps the combo of logic, intuition, and honesty is just super rare. I don't know, but I hope you're doing well and having a reasonably fulfilling adventure amongst this hellishly senseless superstition culture.…

Thank you for the kind words stranger. I find myself staring at the stars quite frequently actually. Nothing like a full moon night in the desert or high country.

For what it's worth, the journey to this place was not easy for me, and has taken years of searching and learning. The constant struggle is against giving up, apathy is the glove into which evil slips it's hand and all that.

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