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DuckDuckGo browser seemingly sends domains a user visits to DDG servers

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Re: DuckDuckGo browser seemingly sends domains a user visits to DDG servers

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DuckDuckGo staff here. As mentioned in the linked page, the purpose of the request is to retrieve a website's favicon so that it can be displayed in certain places within the app or on the results page. We use an internal favicon service because it can be complicated to locate a favicon for a website. They can be stored in a variety of locations and in a variety of formats. The service understands these edge cases an…

Please choose another hill to die on. This is just not worth it. Clearly it's possible to do this on device like mozilla did it.

Re: DuckDuckGo browser seemingly sends domains a user visits to DDG servers

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When it comes to a browser, I'm curious as well. I often end up with 100+ tabs in firefox before I close them all. I don't think think I'd consider that being a power user, but would a 10x power user simply mean someone with over 1,000 tabs open? I haven't used Chrome regularly in the last year or so, but it would get noticeably slow by the time I had 3-4 windows with 10-20 tabs each. Firefox hasn't really had that i…

I use Firefox day to day, but if I was a “power user” and picking apart web traffic everyday I’d probably use Chromium. The dev tools in it are way better than the ones built in Firefox.

In what way are Chrome's dev tools better?

I got used to Firefox's dev tools and can't find my way around in Chrome's.

Re: DuckDuckGo browser seemingly sends domains a user visits to DDG servers

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I don't really trust DuckDuckGo, but I use their search service because I trust Google less... I still trust Firefox more for a browser although it won't take much at this point to make me switch.

Google is a big target for law enforcement though. The EU for example can't wait to slap them with another huge fine.

Go here and turn your "web and app activity", your "location history" and "ad personalisation" off, if they aren't already:

https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-personalization

If you do that, there's no evidence that Google is more privacy invading than DuckDuckGo, since you're left with taking their word for it. And frankly I trust a big, bureaucratic company more than I trust a startup. The ideal would be to trust technology (e.g. end to end encryption, open source) but that's not the case here.

Note that I also use DuckDuckGo in my Private Mode, as Firefox allows setting different search engine for Private Mode. I do that because it's better to compartmentalize your online personas, plus I keep my "web and app activity" in Google on, with deletion after 3 months.

Re: DuckDuckGo browser seemingly sends domains a user visits to DDG servers

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I don’t care if I get the favicon or not... can I just opt out of this functionality?

From elsewhere in this thread: https://duckduckgo.com/settings#appearance Uncheck the very last option "Site Icons"

appears to be the search engine results _not_ the browser.

How if you type a url into the browser how do you stop the browser from sending that url to ddg to get the favicon?

Re: DuckDuckGo browser seemingly sends domains a user visits to DDG servers

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Speaking of leaks, I never understood why people use DDG's bangs. By using bangs you're sending your search history to DDG even when using search engines that aren't DDG.

Because it's the easiest (and sometimes only) way to get this functionality on major browsers and browser developers have no plans to implement this functionality natively.

Re: DuckDuckGo browser seemingly sends domains a user visits to DDG servers

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post #52

DuckDuckGo staff here. As mentioned in the linked page, the purpose of the request is to retrieve a website's favicon so that it can be displayed in certain places within the app or on the results page. We use an internal favicon service because it can be complicated to locate a favicon for a website. They can be stored in a variety of locations and in a variety of formats. The service understands these edge cases an…

You really can't use "we promise we won't misuse the information" as an argument, that's what everyone says whether it's true or not, and the whole point of using a privacy-centric browser is that as a user you can't trust those kinds of promises.

By the way how DDG spend money on the ads like at bus stop, I already starting to NOT trust them. Spend the money on development of development of products.

Seems like time to get SearX a try now: https://searx.me

Re: DuckDuckGo browser seemingly sends domains a user visits to DDG servers

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Are you able to block youtube ads using pi-hole?

Sadly, not anymore - used to be the case quite a while ago, but not today anymore as the ads come from the same domains the videos are streamed from. Those simpler popover-ads which can be closed clicking an X in the upper right corner still are blocked tho... Spilling my secret tho (and YouTube execs hate me for it!): i block YouTube in my mind and only rarely go to it if i really need to watch a video (which, for m…

https://invidio.us

Or mpv (for single videos, or local playlists), or mps-youtube, or youtube-dl.

Re: DuckDuckGo browser seemingly sends domains a user visits to DDG servers

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Also worth mentioning they're closed-source, US-based and for-profit. Why exactly do people trust them? Simply because they write a few articles/ads saying "privacy is important"? If you're willing to sacrifice search quality for privacy, as in switching from Google to DuckDuckGo, then you might as well take a step further and switch from Google to Searx/Ask.Moe.

As a DDG user I don't feel like I'm sacrificing anything. Two sets of results are better than one (I can see Google results by adding !g, which I do less than once per day on average) and, ironically, DDG bangs are the easiest way to use even Google services like Translate and Scholar.

Same for me. Privacy is why I came, bangs are the reason I stay.

Re: DuckDuckGo browser seemingly sends domains a user visits to DDG servers

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post #109
post #52

DuckDuckGo staff here. As mentioned in the linked page, the purpose of the request is to retrieve a website's favicon so that it can be displayed in certain places within the app or on the results page. We use an internal favicon service because it can be complicated to locate a favicon for a website. They can be stored in a variety of locations and in a variety of formats. The service understands these edge cases an…

Take the code from Firefox iOS or Android-components. We spent a lot of time on these and it is all on device. https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/android-components https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/Firefox-iOS

I wonder how many lines of code from big open source applications are generic enough to be reused in other projects.

Firefox and Google Chrome probably have the equivalent of many small high quality libraries embedded in them, implementing 'business' logic or protocols, that could be reused in more places.

I guess a large scale study on github could be done, with a graph analysis to show potential "cut off" points in codebase.

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