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Do I need to go to university?

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Re: Do I need to go to university?

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My dad was a grocery checker and my mom was a secretary. I didn’t go to college. I’m currently making more than six figures as a software engineer. The only meaningful networking connections I made outside of work was going to raves in the early 2000s.

My six siblings and I had farmer parents with a high school education. We all went to (and finished) college. Now we have 2 fortune-500 VPs, a research nursing administrator, an IT professional, and 2 self-employed business owners doing very well. So it can help to go to college. Just saying. Oh. And the next generation - 100% college educated. Several PhD's. All well employed. None working on the farm. So for some s…

That's funny, I'm an IT professional now and I'd like to one day own a farm.

Re: Do I need to go to university?

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> I live in Denmark where I get paid monthly for going to university You are, of course, doubly fortunate. > the freedom to pursue intellectual curiosity is a thing which universities offer almost unconditional unlike jobs The hypothetical awakening of a person's intelligence is a battle against much more dominant social conditioning. And then students self-select for narrowness of perspective in a programme. As you…

To go to STEM a person shouldn't be very social to begin with, so social conditioning traditionally doesn't register with them as a problem.

For many of us, when we went to STEM we finally found our tribe and became social as hell.

Re: Do I need to go to university?

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University has so much more value than the coursework and the name. The network you mention is a good starting point. You call it network and it evokes the idea of those connections that can help you later. But they are also very beneficial during your studies. Learning alone means you never have the chance to ask for help, give help and discuss what you learned. Universities also do research you can be part of. I he…

> But they are also very beneficial during your studies. Learning alone means you never have the chance to ask for help, give help and discuss what you learned. Plenty of sites and forums to ask for help, give help and discuss what you learned.

None of which come close to replicating the random occasions of running into a fellow student in the cafeteria and them asking you for a quick question. Or discussing the ideas you're studying over beer at the campus bar for hours. Asynchronous, anonymous, learning has its place but it is absolutely no substitute for the environment a campus provides.

Re: Do I need to go to university?

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Also want to point out: I'm seriously going to college just for the name + network. I can easily learn everything at home via MIT open courseware or the syllabus many Stanford courses put online nowadays.

Be sure to get the 4.0 GPA too - it's very nice to have for surprisingly long. Absolutely don't "challenge yourself". You can do that when you're not being graded on it.

ehh, I don't know about that. I haven't heard of GPA being useful for anything in tech apart from doing a PhD, which require you to have both a high GPA and to challenge yourself.

Re: Do I need to go to university?

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I think this article misses out on what in my opinion is the biggest reason to go to college for a teen and it all has to do exploration. Simply put you don't know what you don't know and at 17-18 that can be a lot. College gives you an opportunity to explore who you are and what you care about in an environment largely free of external stress (yes I know there can be stress but it's generally a lot different than "I need to provide for my family"). A lot of people are super confident in what they think their life path is until they actually encounter the steps it takes to get there. Generally we do a pretty poor job of educating young people on what different careers actually look like and what it takes to get there. There are a million lawyer and doctor shows but it's a lot harder at 17 to know that you'd actually love to study library science, or be an economist.

At 17 I thought I wanted to be a sport journalist or shoot rockets into space. Turns out I had zero interest in the path to ESPN and am terrible at chemistry. Sure looking back I can totally see that computers made all the sense in the world but I didn't recognize that then. If I had bypassed college and just started working to get to one of those paths I saw for myself who knows where I'd be. This is not to say that college is the only place where you get this freedom to explore, but colleges, especially good ones certainly encourage you to explore other options.

I think ideally your last year of high school would be nothing but career exploration, but failing that I recommend most teenagers go to college even if they think they know what they want to do.

Re: Do I need to go to university?

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How can college be necessary for 95% of the population when somewhere south of 50% attend now? I’m a significant proponent of college attendance for social and educational reasons, but even with that bias, I don’t agree with “necessary for 95%”.

If you're in India (and I'd imagine most other developing countries), getting a degree is one of the most surefire methods of ensuring that you live a good life. It's much less the case in Western countries, especially here in Australia, where tradespeople tend to earn on-par or more than white collar professionals.

Well, University in India also costs like $10k for the whole thing. Soo... the value proposition is quite different.

This applies only in the case of the US, because university implies a $100k student loan.

Re: Do I need to go to university?

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My six siblings and I had farmer parents with a high school education. We all went to (and finished) college. Now we have 2 fortune-500 VPs, a research nursing administrator, an IT professional, and 2 self-employed business owners doing very well. So it can help to go to college. Just saying. Oh. And the next generation - 100% college educated. Several PhD's. All well employed. None working on the farm. So for some s…

> None working on the farm. You seem to be proud, but sound derogatory towards those who actually work on a farm and are proud of it.

There's nothing wrong with working on a farm, but it is objectively not a good job. Long hours, low pay, high stress. I understand being proud of working on a farm, but I understand being proud of not working on a farm too.

Re: Do I need to go to university?

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anecdata, of course.

The company I work for is currently hiring. As the hiring manager I have repeatedly said I don't give a damn about college education (myself not having come from a CS background in college) and repeatedly the CTO has shot me down and told me that we need to hire someone with an undergrad CS background.

So here is my pithy statement: There are two paths - you can either have a CS degree. Or you can know someone and get the job that way (which is, how I - and others on the team who don't have CS degrees - got the job). Sometimes even if someone on the inside is rooting for you.

Re: Do I need to go to university?

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> I live in Denmark where I get paid monthly for going to university You are, of course, doubly fortunate. > the freedom to pursue intellectual curiosity is a thing which universities offer almost unconditional unlike jobs The hypothetical awakening of a person's intelligence is a battle against much more dominant social conditioning. And then students self-select for narrowness of perspective in a programme. As you…

To go to STEM a person shouldn't be very social to begin with, so social conditioning traditionally doesn't register with them as a problem.

Liking science or math should require you to be awkward and unsocial? What... the hell.... are you talking about?
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