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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by abeppu »

bargl wrote: post #202
JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

Police can break the law too. An officer's actions may or may not be legal and that's determined after the fact in a court of law. This doesn't happen all the time, but when police do break the law, or don't follow it correctly their actions come under scrutiny, data collected can be discarded from court, and even suffer personal blowback. What you're asking is how did it happen? That's because it's illegal for a cit…

My understanding was in many states, the guideline for holding someone without a charge was generally 72 hours (where weekends and holidays can extend that period; prosecutors' right to not work weekends is more important than any of your rights ...), with a range of exceptions open for abuse (e.g. hold you for 48 hours, decide you're acting strangely and need a psychiatric hold, etc).

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kevstev »

cryptica wrote: post #213

CNN staged it obviously. There was a riot, the police came in as they should have. CNN team intentionally disregarded orders to vacate the area to cause a stir. Then they were arrested as they knew they would be. CNN team basically setup and staged their own arrests on camera with the intent of deceiving the American people into thinking they were hapless victims. This is exactly why people vote for Trump. This behav…

Do you have any proof to support your "obvious" claim? They were arrested live on air- early in the morning- I saw the 2 minutes or so leading up to their arrest, but not anything before.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by Miner49er »

tinyhouse wrote: post #169
Miner49er wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just pointing out facts. The police's purpose is not to protect people. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia Anytime a police officer tries to fight the system they are a part of, they always cease to become a police officer. They're forced out. The system doesn't allow "good" police to exist.

You're ignoring the question. You said you cannot be not racist if you're part of the police system. Yet you don't offer any alternatives.

It would require massive fundamental change to society, but one idea is eventually citizens could "police" themselves. The majority of people could go through training and work together to provide security and protection in their own communities when need be.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by Lendal »

mdpopescu wrote: post #209
pionar wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cops can hold you for some amount of time, generally around 24 hours without cause. This is simply not true. Police may not keep you detained if they do not have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime. However, in real life, they do this sometimes, even though it's been ruled unconstitutional. They do occasionally face repercussions. Thousands of civil rights lawsuits are settled qui…

> Police may not keep you detained if they do not have probable cause... I believe this is called a distinction without difference. The police can always say you behaved suspiciously or they felt threatened by you. You can also be found guilty of resisting arrest, even if there was no reason for the arrest except that you were resisting it.

And cops know this and will verbally threaten you with it. I've had it happen to me. The cop actually said to me during a traffic stop he could arrest me for resisting arrest. I don't know why he said that. I guess I was not showing sufficient gratitude for the ticket he was writing me. I was being respectful, even though I knew of no law requiring me to be respectful to cops. That was over 20 years ago. It's nothing new.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by e12e »

opwieurposiu wrote: post #203

Technological solution: Attach a laser to a gimbal camera. use YOLOv3 or similar to target the eyes of cops or armed persons within 100foot radius. Set up a few gimbal with mutually reinforcing fields of fire. If they can't see, they can't shoot. Everyone is safe with no killing.

If they can't see, and do shoot, no one is safe.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by lurquer »

So, state police -- on a loudspeaker -- are "ordering" people to "leave the street immediately."

The reporter admits he was told "to clear the area."

The loudspeaker -- again -- explicitly states to "go back in the direction you came from."

The reporter admits on air that they were "requested to move back."

The cameraman also admits on air that "We were just out here reporting the CLOSURE OF THE STREETS."

The dumbasses -- despite all this -- refused to get off the street, instead saying things like "we COULD move back to where you'd like..."

Being a reporter does not give you special permission to violate a direct order by state police in the middle of a riot (with a burning building in the background.)

If you're told to get off the street, get off the street... IMMEDIATELY. If you don't, you'll get arrested.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kaitai »

kfrzcode wrote: post #141
JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

Edit: I'm wrong, the video I had seen was slightly abridged. The video camera turns on while they were (likely) already told they will be arrested. They were perhaps ordered to move and did not move. The National Guard and state troopers in that particular area ( Downvoters: please add comment why, or else this isn't discourse

Yeah, not to pile on... but you're being downvoted because what you say is simply false.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by klenwell »

epistasis wrote: post #18
myrion wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it happened live on air, they were clearly identified as CNN and willing to comply with police orders - making the police's claim laughable. I wonder what those officers were thinking, arresting a reporter on live camera.

I think the level of impunity of "I am the law" instead of laws being laws, has taken over far too many in the police department. The level of police misconduct that's been captured in camera in the last few days is disturbing. There's always one police officer that rushes into a peaceful situation, from behind, and starts violence. This sort of assault on humans is taken to be their responsibility, apparently, and a…

> I think the level of impunity of "I am the law" instead of laws being laws, has taken over far too many in the police department.

For a more organized version of the mentality, see the Constitutional Sheriffs movement. I forget where I first came across the movement but here's a top Google result about it:

https://publicintegrity.org/national-security/the-army-to-se...

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by monocasa »

lurquer wrote: post #226

So, state police -- on a loudspeaker -- are "ordering" people to "leave the street immediately." The reporter admits he was told "to clear the area." The loudspeaker -- again -- explicitly states to "go back in the direction you came from." The reporter admits on air that they were "requested to move back." The cameraman also admits on air that "We were just out here reporting the CLOSURE OF THE STREETS." The dumbass…

He was released 30 minutes later with the governor admitting it was a bad arrest.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kaitai »

snazz wrote: post #14
myrion wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it happened live on air, they were clearly identified as CNN and willing to comply with police orders - making the police's claim laughable. I wonder what those officers were thinking, arresting a reporter on live camera.

(I'm a resident of the Minneapolis suburbs) At this point, from some of my friends in the city, it sounds like there just isn't much oversight at all---they've now been caught on video taking guns from people with valid licenses and now arresting the press. I don't think that we can effectively apply logic when the police system seems so disorganized.

To folks saying "they're highly organized", listen to Walz's press conference -- they're not organized, the National Guard didn't get a plan so didn't go in, it's a series of excuses.
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