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Holmes was absolutely not succeeding on merit. She was so very not succeeding on merit that there is a criminal case charging her with fraud. I don't think it helps to turn a blind eye to the issue that women can sleep their way into positions, careerwise, and men typically cannot. We have expressions like the casting couch for a reason. I've spent a lot of years trying to analyze this problem space and find a viable…

> which include sleeping with an investor to get money Again, unless this came forward in legal proceedings, you're making an assumption. > We have expressions like the casting couch for a reason. It's not an expression, it's a literal thing in porn.

I'm not making an assumption. I'm making an inference.

I'm not backing down from my view that Theranos was valued at $10 billion largely because it was headed by an attractive young woman and it would have never been that overvalued and gone in one day from that valuation to zero if the head of the company had been male.

I have suggested on more than one occasion that she may have slept her way into power. She was in her twenties and publicly claiming to be celibate because she was so devoted to her company and then it later came out she was secretly living with Balwani.

I think the media has really treated her with kid gloves because of this fear of being accused of being mean or unfair or something because she's a woman.

I have done my damnedest to tread lightly on this topic over the years because I know it's a hot button topic. But I am in no way surprised to learn that she was secretly living with an investor while claiming to be celibate.

I was mostly privately speculating for years that she was probably sleeping with some of these rich and powerful men who helped make her company a success.

I'm a woman. I have zero problem getting sexual interest from wealthy, powerful men. I have enormous difficulty getting them to take my work seriously and get constructive feedback on my projects.

The Theranos story is one I have paid a fair amount of attention to because it hits a nerve for me. I have a form of cystic fibrosis and I have been getting healthier for 19 years while the world calls me crazy and acts like I'm making that up. There are no wealthy, powerful men expressing interest in the potentially world-changing medical crap my head contains.

I can fairly confidently estimate the personal value to me of that knowledge at about $9.5 million dollars (and counting) cuz reasons. So I have no doubt it's potentially worth billions if not trillions if I can figure out how to disseminate it. (At least in terms of impact on the world. Not necessarily profit per se.)

And I may die in obscurity because while there is no shortage of men who would love to sleep with me, there are no men interested at all in what I know about medical subjects.

So I'm not backing down on my view here. I'm still waiting to hear that Balwani wasn't the only one and she basically fucked her way to power every step of the way.

I'm not going to continue this discussion. I have no doubt this comment will be downvoted to hell. The world has a huge problem with the idea that I know anything medically useful and a huge problem with the fact that a woman who spent nearly six years homeless still has self esteem.

Have a good evening, or whatever time of the day or night it is where you are.

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> all it takes is to be born a certain way Couldn't the same be said about intelligence?

It's absolutley arrogant and dishonest to think your intelligence is inherited instead of developed,unless you are an exception. Unintelligent people have hard working kids that grow up to be extremely intelligent,intelligent people give birth to children that end up idiots with negative contribution to society and themselves.

> It's absolutley arrogant and dishonest to think your intelligence is inherited instead of developed,unless you are an exception.

I think it is more arrogant to assume your intelligence were due to your hard work and everyone else just being too lazy to achieve the same things.

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It's absolutley arrogant and dishonest to think your intelligence is inherited instead of developed,unless you are an exception. Unintelligent people have hard working kids that grow up to be extremely intelligent,intelligent people give birth to children that end up idiots with negative contribution to society and themselves.

> It's absolutley arrogant and dishonest to think your intelligence is inherited instead of developed,unless you are an exception. I think it is more arrogant to assume your intelligence were due to your hard work and everyone else just being too lazy to achieve the same things.

Why do you think that, in every aspect of human acheivement a person can simply learn and practice. Various factors weigh in but you will be dumb as a rock if you choose to not pursue intellectual achievments regardless of your biology.

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It's absolutley arrogant and dishonest to think your intelligence is inherited instead of developed,unless you are an exception. Unintelligent people have hard working kids that grow up to be extremely intelligent,intelligent people give birth to children that end up idiots with negative contribution to society and themselves.

False >Twin studies of adult individuals have found a heritability of IQ between 57% and 73% with the most recent studies showing heritability for IQ as high as 80% and 86%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

Please read the caveat section on that page:

"Some have gone further, and used height as an example in order to argue that "even highly heritable traits can be strongly manipulated by the environment, so heritability has little if anything to do with controllability.""

Regardless of this, this is a measure if IQ, they control for a similar environment but they don't control for similar upbringing and individual's interests and pursuits.

IQ isn't static, there maybe a static ceiling that differs between individuals but the choices made by parents,individuals and environment affect how much developmental effort is focused on specific IQ traits.

As Einstein put it,you shouldn't measure a fish on it's ability to climb a tree.

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As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

I think the new world of normalized prostitution is going to be great and healthy.

How many of us would be comfortable married to an onlyfans artist who makes 10x money than us working from the bedroom. I don’t think such relationships will last.

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As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

I'll bite and talk about the subject, since I've been involved in that community as both a buyer and sort-of-seller (Helped a ManyVids star rise to the top 20 in their category with feedback, strategy and ehem... 'collaborations' but I'll get back to that) I don't find sex work in and of itself immoral. That is of course an opinion. On the other hand... It's another subculture in and of itself. And unfortunately, it'…

You're a whale getting played repeatedly and what's weirder is that you seem to know it.

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Any blurring of moral lines likely comes down to hangups W.R.T Body Autonomy. At the end of the day, if you one believes that everyone is allowed to make their own choices about their body, that would have to include their daughter, their spouse, their mother even.

Exactly! You get it. I find it so hard to believe that there is supposedly zero overlap between HackerNews comment posters claiming "there is nothing morally wrong with sex work" and people who in reality when pressed with the exact situation would say "I am against my little sister performing sexual acts for money"

Sex work is ok if the situation isn't coercive. A situation where the only reasonably available alternative choices are homelessness or starvation is coercive. Sex work is fine but a system that provides it as "last ditch employment" or as a means of survival in absence of alternatives is no different than rape. This applies to a lot more than sex work though :/

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It is surprising as well as depressing that someone can get enough money to buy a house from OnlyFans payout. Goes to say how many people spend money on that kind of stuff. Instagram models living rich lifestyle is different as they endorse products and advertising is involved. This is just people paying to watch someones naked photos.

I'm not a consumer of OF or IG content but I think OF content is more honest and moral.

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I don't feel like the average person who says "I'm ok with females selling sex" would actually be ok + proud of their mother / daughter / sister / grandma / cousin if they sold sex for a living.

It doesn't matter what anyone feels "proud" about. I wouldn't be proud of my daughter being a tax accountant, I would rather she was a porn star (I am 100% serious - porn stars add value to society and make people happy). We live in a free society, and if someone wants to be filmed naked, or paid to have sex, that's their decision to make regardless if it makes you feel icky. I hope you have spent your whole life abs…

I would feel icky if all of my female colleagues who got laid off just now were economically compelled to have sex with people they didn't want to have sex with to pay for rent, food, and other debts. Lots of people have pretty shit deals. It's a free society, but they work as meat packers or facebook explicit content moderators. Not that free.

I vastly prefer a system with switching costs (like needing to move somewhere where its legal) than one which puts a social burden on girls to do this when times are tough. "Porn star" sounds sex-positive, lucrative, and happy. Getting fucked by a landlord is a lot more grim.

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We know already where it heads - to young men being radicalized to hate everyone who isn't like them (i.e. not young, male, angry, usually white, usually straight).

This would’ve been a good comment if you had left out the part in the parentheses. I’d say it’s more of a class thing. They will be angry at the the ruling class and wealthy. I don’t think they are going to be taking it out on old ladies...

Eh, I think it's a decent label. Individuals belonging to a social group with a presumption of power (in many western contexts, white men) tend to behave as described above. Individuals belonging to groups with low presumptions of power just tend to be problematic within their own community.

You don't see many long lasting violent weak minority supremacy groups.

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