Zoom have responded very quickly to the complaints levelled against them. Their problems are more PR than techinical now.
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#222If the tech community can't prioritize security over features, it's pretty rich for same community to declare that the "average joe" doesn't care about security.
The same "tech community" that's been drinking the "move fast and break things" and "be disruptive in your market segment" koolaid for 15-20 years? Unsurprised.
I was a bit unclear in my original post. I meant this tech community here.. lots of "don't make me use something else" posts in a community of people who ostensibly are tech oriented.
But your point stands either way. I'm just surprised at the pass being given to Zoom given the blitheness of their gaffes.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypto... "The AES-128 keys, which we verified are sufficient to decrypt Zoom packets intercepted in Internet traffic, appear to be generated by Zoom servers, and in some cases, are delivered to participants in a Zoom meeting through servers in China, even when all meeting participants, and the Zoom subscriber’s company, are outside of China."
this is explicitly not what I asked, and not what the person I was replying to said. besides, zoom already owned this mistake. https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2020/04/03/response-to-resear...
Zoom said that their meeting data is no longer routed through China's servers. That's not what citizenlab's complaint was, and also not what the original poster stated.
>There is the thing that all Zoom keys are kept and maintained in China
Their complaint was about zoom's encryption key generation and distribution practices. The post you linked has nothing about the key distribution scheme zoom needs to implement so they actually have end-to-end encryption.
https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2020/04/03/does-zoo...
Without proper encryption, it doesn't matter if all participants in a meeting only connect to zoom servers since you don't know what zoom could be doing inside their network. Are they actually routing data without any storage, or any they storing the data and sending a stream out the back door to interested parties? But with true end-to-end encryption, it doesn't matter what zoom does with the meeting data since only the participants can decrypt it.
Not to mention that for a sufficiently interested actor, they don't need to access zoom's network to intercept a copy of a meeting as it makes its way through the internet to a zoom server. End-to-end encryption also ensures they only get junk.
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#224I don't like zoom either, but what exactly made them the HN punching bag of the month? Ad/surveillance giants like Google or FB are typically spoken of with notes of reverence and awe on here. Zoom gets lit-up for sending data to FB, but FB gets a pass? I don't know I just can't get into the mood. extinguishes torch in moat .
The stock price.
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
I knew I would get downvoted. But folks seriously don’t remember the pain before Zoom. And the current pain anytime we have to use a GoToMeeting, Google Meet, Webex or other tool that barely functions. Human interaction that actually works right now is so important. And I simply have a hard time trusting another product to actually do the call reliably
Google Meet is the only one of these that has always worked reliably for me. Doesn't require any strange clients, works in most browsers, never randomly fails to move just some person's audio and so on. Disclaimer: I work for Alphabet, but already held this opinion before I did.
only skype worked for us meeting group to group over single feed and open speakers, skype seems to work well doing audio google meet hasn't fixed it for ever. personal audio on most works for me, unless you have like less than 2-3megabit for video.
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#226I hope that Zoom will make it easier to use their web client because of this.
This is lifechanging, the zoom native app is a security nightmare and the web experience is deliberately crap.
This might explain why the people around me don't understand why it's so popular. None of us is reckless enough to install their application, so all we've seen is the web version.
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#227Can someone with more experience using Jitsi comment on benefits/limitations for use at work? We typically have 2-5 people on calls but occasionally up to 20. I tried it a bit with 1-1 calls and it was pretty great but I'm assuming there are some limitations vs Zoom to be aware of.
One important thing until it is fixed: Firefox doesn’t work at the moment, tearing everyone’s performance down. Hence use Chrome/Edge/Opera/Vivaldi.
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#228God please don't make me use a non-zoom video conferencing tool! I have used about a dozen over the years in my role as a consultant, and Zoom has been by far the most reliable. I’m hopeful lots of good can come from the scrutiny, but please Zoom get your act together so I don’t have to use some other buggy thing that doesn’t actually work.
Out of curiosity, have you tried BlueJeans? It seems to have worked well for me even on huge calls.
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#230I don't like zoom either, but what exactly made them the HN punching bag of the month? Ad/surveillance giants like Google or FB are typically spoken of with notes of reverence and awe on here. Zoom gets lit-up for sending data to FB, but FB gets a pass? I don't know I just can't get into the mood. extinguishes torch in moat .
> Ad/surveillance giants like Google or FB are typically spoken of with notes of reverence and awe on here. Uh. Are we reading different websites? This is the most vocally anti-everything-FAANG community I've seen on the Internet, since about 2017 or so. Except Apple, mostly.
Netflix also seems to be acceptable.