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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by aksss »

msla wrote: post #213
KorematsuFred wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Could you please give some examples ? Did windows ever blocked a competitors product ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code > The AARD code was a segment of code in a beta release of Microsoft Windows 3.1 that would determine whether Windows was running on MS-DOS or PC DOS, rather than a competing workalike such as DR-DOS, and would result in a cryptic error message in the latter case. This XOR-encrypted, self-modifying, and deliberately obfuscated machine code used a variety of undocumented DOS str…

I think question was about ie6 era, which is like 2001.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by simias »

thrower123 wrote: post #169
simias wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you. Given the current browser market share it would make sense for Chrome extensions to be more popular than Firefox's without any special-case meddling.

It does surprise me how unpopular this sentiment is. Maybe people don't like the idea that most of the algorithms that they interact with a pretty stupid and just weight things by frequency? It does seem like people attribute considerably more intelligence to algorithms than there actually are there. It's not uncommon that I'll have a customer try to tell me that some search or selection algorithm in our product that…

I don't really get it either, I don't think it's super controversial. I think there's an angry mob going after Google and anything not going in that sense is aggressively downvoted.

I think that the anger is justified but it doesn't justify making up poorly substantiated conspiracy theories. The hard facts are enough to see what Google is doing anyway, no need to write fanfiction.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by terminaljunkid »

AaronFriel wrote: post #191

This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…

Meanwhile your Firefox suffers from really, really bad governance in a suit-dominated organization. The CEO is milking way too much from the sinking ship. The priorities are somewhere else from what people want.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by cptskippy »

sp332 wrote: post #109
drewg123 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox As a firefox user, the thing that annoys the hell out of me is the inability to use the mouse menu for cut and paste in Google Docs unless you're using chrome. I don't understand why it forces you to use the keyboard shortcut. I'm an emacs user, and find the windows-y keyboard shortcuts foreign, so I have to think about them, and p…

I just tried this in Firefox and it worked fine?

For me, Copy works but Paste results in dialog telling me to use the keyboard.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by jen20 »

msla wrote: post #212
AaronFriel wrote: post #191

This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…

https://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/11/05/how_ms_played_the_i... > "It's pretty clear we need to make sure Windows 3.1 only runs on top of MS DOS or an OEM version of it," and "The approach we will take is to detect dr 6 and refuse to load. The error message should be something like 'Invalid device driver interface.'" Microsoft isn't the gorilla it used to be, but never forget it is a gorilla, and knows how to play th…

Given the ads in Windows [1] showing a very similar thing, but targeted against Firefox, I’d say it’s inevitable.

[1]: https://www.techradar.com/news/windows-10-gets-cheeky-with-a...

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Post by terminaljunkid »

dcow wrote: post #192

I’m honestly surprised people still tolerate Google. Just stop using shitty software from a shitty company that treats its users like shit. I did and so can you.

You are one of those privacy warrior tinfoil hat idiots aren't you?

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by ldiracdelta »

jaywalk wrote: post #176
wkey wrote: post #162

Somewhat related but: has anyone heard of/ used the Brave browser?

I've been using it for a while now. I like it, but they're starting to get a little too pushy with their Brave Rewards program for my liking. But for now, it's great.

Batting aside "Brave Rewards" is a minuscule amount of work compared to the cognitive work that Brave reduces by blocking ads. I've been using Brave for ~6 months and I've only had to bat "Brave Rewards" aside ~4 times.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by gentleman11 »

AaronFriel wrote: post #191

This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition. This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chro…

Microsoft literally uses the same strategy against Firefox users in windows. They all play this sketchy game

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Post by jmngomes »

fizixer wrote: post #174
fergie wrote: post #38

PSA: if you are not already using it, and you care about the future of humanity, then give Firefox a(nother) go. Its actually quite good these days.

Firefox does 'gah! your tab just crashed' on my amazon tabs at a rate of about 1 in every 4 times. Once it decides to do that on a particular tab, no amount of refresh or reopen, or restart-firefox fixes it. I'm using Ubuntu 14.04, and this has been happening consistently for the last 5+ years. Every. single. goshdarn. effing. firefox. release. (sorry just wanted to vent. I've tried every solution I could find on ask…

I've used Firefox since I cannot recall when, on Ubuntu 16 and 18, and Windows 7 and Windows 10.

Although I've experienced very rare crashes, like I have with Chrome/Chromium, my experience is that Firefox is stable and does everything I need, including some basic web dev/debug.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by jmcphers »

sebazzz wrote: post #105
jmisavage wrote: post #3

They're probably just user agent sniffing for non-Chrome browsers. I see this plenty when using Firefox or Safari. That said I wonder if all the State and DoJ investigations about anti-competitive behavior will force Google to stop promoting their own browser on their properties.

The user agent is equal to Chrome with "Edg" (not a typo) appended: > mozilla/5.0 (windows nt 10.0; win64; x64) applewebkit/537.36 (khtml, like gecko) chrome/76.0.3800.0 safari/537.36 edg/76.0.167.1 Certainly not an accident, unless they tried to save one byte by not checking on the full "Edge" token.

They serve this UA on purpose to some sites to prevent being detected as the "old" Edge (which was not Chromium-based).
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