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18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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This guy has a Frontpage-generated site too, and it's full of useful Win32 programming tips; he replies if you email him too!

http://flounder.com

Nothing wrong with readable content, regardless of the generator. In fact, I like reading his site precisely because it is speedy to load and render, and because it has content (unlike, for example, Apple's developer documentation).

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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What do you mean? The text isn't much smaller than on HN on my 5.5" phone. It's entirely readable.

HN is hardly a good example. It's terrible on mobile.

I find HN to be one of the best mobile websites. It's fast and text isn't massively oversized. You can actually fit information on screen. Many mobile websites I've seen are horrible to use, because they have very poor information density and the sites seem to be designed for 4" or smaller screens.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

I have been running an older wordpress that I hacked up nicely. If you keep php below 5.5 no problems. Even the old mysql vs sqli still works great.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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post #166

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While this website still works fine, the actual HTML that Frontpage generated isn't exactly easy to maintain if Frontpage stops working for whatever reason. The author of this website is basically stuck using whatever version of Frontpage supports the markup of his website. And I bet there have been plenty of people who used who are no longer able to maintain their website because their editor no longer runs on their…

I know a person who is maintaining a few sites she built in like 2005 with a version of Dreamweaver a little older than that, so never dares to upgrade the Dreamweaver version. The whole thing is terrifying and horrific to me, but they keep paying her to do the work so she's fine with it.

You would just edit the html pages lol. I still use dreamweaver for the visual editor if I need to copy and paste from a pdf and want perfect html. No one has made anything like it. No current editor has a quick sftp that allows you to connect/edit move on.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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This is one reason why the static site generator I use for my personal website uses HTML rather than something like Markdown. I don't think Markdown is going anyway, incidentally, or that it would be hard to process on my own if I needed to. But the HTML I use is simple enough and Markdown only decreases the probability the site will last a long time.

Markdown and/or markdown processors are known to change. Since there's no single Markdown spec, determining just how a page will render, or what will break, is a bit of a crapshoot. And since Markdown treats nonparsable markup as ... plain text, you don't even get errors or other indicators of failure. You've got to view and validate the output manually or by some other means. With formal tag-based markup languages (…

I appreciate your reply. Seems Markdown is more complex than I recognized and this just makes me want to avoid it more. If you do find the rant you mentioned, let me know.

> HTML has ... proved less robustly stable over the 25+ years I've worked with it

The first website I made in 2002 still views fine in a modern browser. I didn't do anything fancy, though. I would be interested in what has been unstable as it might give me ideas on what to avoid in HTML.

I don't find HTML to be that much harder than plain text or Markdown so I think I'll keep using it for smaller projects. LaTeX is worth considering as well, particularly given that I will have math on some of my webpages. One issue is that the stability of LaTeX depends strongly on which packages you use. I need to take a closer look at the health of every package I use. I think avoiding external dependencies is easier with HTML.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While this website still works fine, the actual HTML that Frontpage generated isn't exactly easy to maintain if Frontpage stops working for whatever reason. The author of this website is basically stuck using whatever version of Frontpage supports the markup of his website. And I bet there have been plenty of people who used who are no longer able to maintain their website because their editor no longer runs on their…

Microsoft has been fairly good at allowing older binaries to run on newer systems. Apple is pretty annoying in this regard. There’s a lot of software that doesn’t work on versions maybe only 5 years old. A lot of software doesn’t need to change to be honest. Microsoft word for example. Word processing: you sit down and type stuff, maybe change the font once or twice. I guess the collaborative features are nice being…

Been hit with that, I needed to run chromium v49 to be able to remote debug some TVs with old opera tv sdks, the version I had stoped working, and several versions that I tried crashed when using the chromium devtools. I ended having to use a windows virtual machine

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

> If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last.

Sounds similar to the Lindy Effect.[0]

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

#228

These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

There is an obscure search engine called wiby.me that only indexes pages like what is posted here. I used to design websites in the late 90's, and very much miss the simple HTML pages of yore.

Thanks for that suggestion. I'm glad it's a three-day weekend!

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

#229

These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

You realize that you’re talking about a FrontPage site. The very definition of building something on a technology that won’t last.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

#230
But is it still running on Cern/3.0, installed circa 1993. Ours is:

  $ nc www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk 80
  HEAD /staff/m.handley/ HTTP/1.0                    

  HTTP/1.0 200 Document follows
  MIME-Version: 1.0
  Server: CERN/3.0
  Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 17:02:59 GMT
  Content-Type: text/html
  Content-Length: 9185
  Last-Modified: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 15:27:37 GMT
It's running on Sun Sparc hardware from the same era, and has been in active use for all of those 27 years.
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