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Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Counter-anecdote: I've experimented with this stuff extensively in various settings and have known many other people who did, and in my experience it's unequivocally bullshit. Here's what happens. First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depressio…

I took a lot of psychadelics, stopped, and started using them again rarely. I'll occasionally take extremely small doses to self-medicate acute depression but it makes me overly impulsive.

I read a lot of experiences from people who went down both the paths you're talking about so I just avoided them. Rather than not using and considering it inevitable that for years I would be using psychadelics in a degenerate way. I approached them with the mindset that they are a tool to look at problems from a different perspective and accelerate certain forms of thinking. However this tool, independant of actual self-improvement, was not only useless but self-destructive.

I ended up having subjectively worse mental health after the psychadelics. Although the psychadelics were a desperation attempt in the first place so take this with a grain of salt. At the same time my life OBJECTIVELY became much better. Better diet, more exercise, more social life, stronger, more cash, all that jazz. I basically turned around a situation where I was completely trapped in poverty and despair to one where by a good number of measures I was pretty successful. So I do find it interesting to read about how people who take psychadelics are all deluded into thinking they're doing well when they're doing awfully. Since that's precisely the opposite of what I experienced.

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Not having thousands of dollars you may have otherwise to use for various productive purposes had can also have a detrimental effect on health.

Thanks! That's certainly one of the confounding factors I had in mind when I was writing this. The same goes for traveling to and fro meetings. This is especially painful for hardworking yet poor mentally ill and unskilled workers trying to get their life together. Overcoming mental illness, childhood abuse, medical issues, witnessing or being a victim of a crime, and bettering oneself, oftentimes several of these at…

The scheduling is even worse for free services where hours the services are offered are limited especially if you're holding down a job, and once you make it work by waking up a couple hours earlier thna normal and jumping through a bunch of hoops... the care is temporary and you need to find something else in a few months.

If anything I think part of the value of seeking out mental healthcare is symbolic. I.E. it's so difficult and costly you convince yourself that you must really want to get better, can work hard, and that something so burdensome must work or nobody would bother with it (a sort of placebo effect). Yet it's easy to get jaded and easy to find yourself going through some ineffectual therapy at great personal cost.

I also think that people are really hung-up on two specific approaches, namely talk therapy and drugs, when they can simply not be cost-effective. It's really costly to put a specialist through years of school, and heat up those counselling offices, and all of that. If you're poor enough that money can make a HUGE impact on the diet you can afford and the exercise you can get. People seem to have this funny idea that somebody living an impoverished miserable life will be happy if somebody says some kind words to them and drugs are altering their neurotransmitter levels.

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Thanks! That's certainly one of the confounding factors I had in mind when I was writing this. The same goes for traveling to and fro meetings. This is especially painful for hardworking yet poor mentally ill and unskilled workers trying to get their life together. Overcoming mental illness, childhood abuse, medical issues, witnessing or being a victim of a crime, and bettering oneself, oftentimes several of these at…

The scheduling is even worse for free services where hours the services are offered are limited especially if you're holding down a job, and once you make it work by waking up a couple hours earlier thna normal and jumping through a bunch of hoops... the care is temporary and you need to find something else in a few months. If anything I think part of the value of seeking out mental healthcare is symbolic. I.E. it's…

You're getting at what's known as rotten life syndrome[1]. The themes are consistent across every demographic. When someone is underemployed, overworked, under housed, impoverished, starving, a victim of crime/persecution, etc then they will manifest the symptoms of various mental illnesses depending on what's going wrong in their life. Therapy cannot be useful if the basic life of a person is unstable. Yet these people are told they aren't working hard enough, they deserve what they get, etc. It's absolutely ridiculous. We have the means the house, clothe, feed, and care for everyone. Our electorate has, and probably will, continue to get away with, misappropriating these resources for their own gain, at the cost of countless human lives.

1. https://www.stmartin-in-the-fields.org/mental-health/

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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I don't think Psilocybin mushrooms or LSD are used as a club drug.

They're a party drug for sure. LSD is great for festivals, and though I've never done shrooms, I know my friends have gone to shows on them. In fact, I'd say LSD is used more as a party drug than it is used for anything else.

Where are you getting this from? The only psychedelic I've ever seen people take before clubbing is 2CB.

Festivals are different because there is lots of space. Clubs are too compact and contained for LSD, can make people claustrophobic.

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Counter-anecdote: I've experimented with this stuff extensively in various settings and have known many other people who did, and in my experience it's unequivocally bullshit. Here's what happens. First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depressio…

I have done a buttload of LSD, not so much shrooms but also some. - I never thought it would cure my depression, but then again I have never seen my depression as something to be cured. It has helped me understand that my depression is a reasonable consequence of how I live my life and it also made me understand what choices I would have to make to change it. - It never made me feel like my life is full of meaning -…

This has been similar to my experiences; definitely less liberal but not explicitly more conservative, more technocratic perhaps.

Also became increasingly atheist & materialist after a few times. Don’t move the mental furniture around if you’re already content with the brain-room, I’d say.

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Take the red pill - go to the gym and get jacked. It will solve many of your problems.

There are so many interesting ways of getting / staying fit. Rock Climbing, Skiing, Mountain Biking, Hiking. They often involve going to beautiful locations or at the very least getting out of the city. Why you would suggest the gym (repetitive activity with a load of other sweaty people) is beyond me...

Because high muscle mass and low body fat is universally what women want/find attractive.

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Just want to point out you are taking the chemical at recreational doses and not therapeutic doses. This is why a professional administrating the drug is key. Look at it this way, Zoloft may give you a bad experience but not the same bad experience at 5mg vs 100mg. You can recognize the bad experience and work towards something else at 5mg vs 100mg (or replace with your favorite drug/dose) where you may end up in an…

The point I'm trying to make is that for all the risks I was taking none of the outcomes were psychologically unrecoverable or fatal. Using the word "bad" was just pointing to the class of experiences that people on the psych might consider, "not pleasant", but "not pleasant" doesn't mean "not valuable". Quite the opposite, I learned from basically every experience both through its intrinsic and extrinsic qualities.…

You can say the exact same thing for Zoloft. If you took a single 100mg dose you will notice the effects. But the line that crosses therapeutic to recreational (yes SSRIs are abused recreationally but are very short lived) is somewhere between 0 and 100mg and differs based on your biological makeup. Clinical trials and reports from prescribing psychiatrists helps find that hard distinction..

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Throwaway because I don't like to tell people I smoke. I must echo this entire post. I'm able to learn so much about myself when high. Far more personal than a therapist ever gets. I do introspection sessions after smoking. I smoke twice a week and do at most 5 hours of introspecting every week. This year I'm doing every other quarter. After smoking I think about how to better myself and insights just flow in perhaps…

Try listening to cognitive behavior therapy audio books while under the influence. I can't go too far into a chapter without pausing and losing myself in contemplation. Listening while under the influence is a great way to trigger introspection.

Have any recommendations?

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

#230

Counter-anecdote: I've experimented with this stuff extensively in various settings and have known many other people who did, and in my experience it's unequivocally bullshit. Here's what happens. First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depressio…

My favorite aspect of Psilocybin is how it makes everything seem so mathematically connected.

The affects on one's emotional state is surprising. Probably a good thing, but to me secondary.

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