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Re: PinePhone Review

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Post by rsync »

jdillaaa wrote: post #218
rsync wrote: post #209

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My phone uses a sim card from a verizon MVNO. I don't even know the phone number. "My" phone number was provisioned, and has always lived, in Twilio. I set up a simple call forward and SMS forward to my SIM number. When I land in a foreign country, I get a new sim card and just point the forwards to the new number. Easy. I wrote a shell script that allows me to SMS from the command line from my phone number . So I ca…

Neat! I have a similar setup, except a little more native support because of Twilio Wireless (not sure if you know about this? https://www.twilio.com/wireless ) I have the Twilio SIM (T-Mobile coverage) in my primary SIM (iPhone dual sim), and then Verizon/ATT/Sprint/TMobile on my e-sim. The e-sim is for data only, because data is expensive (and slow) on Twilio. If you don't have Dual Sim then the data element may be…

Yes, I do have some of the Twilio SIMs but I live in a verizon-only zone so ...

Interesting how you are sending SMS with different caller-ID based on contacts, but I am curious - without a VOIP dialer, can you place voice calls from your native dialer with different caller ID ?

Please, please email (or trouble ticket) twilio and ask them to add an "email" verb to twiml ...

That is one of the big missing links in all of this - you should be able to fire off email alerts/messages in your twiml workflow without any third-party[1] integration or other accounts/logins, etc.

[1] I would still consider sendgrid third party since I need a different login, account, etc.

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Post by rwmj »

Could someone who knows say how this compares to the Sony Xperia running Jolla / Sailfish? I guess that Jolla contains some binary blobs in the kernel still whereas this is fully free.

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Post by rwmj »

monoideism wrote: post #15

"right now, there are very few people, perhaps only dozens, for whom this phone is the right phone, given the current level of software support." I think he greatly underestimates the number of people with the interest and ability to do this kind of work. If it's easily available, I'll probably get one and hack on it, and maybe contribute to some projects. And I'm far from something special or unusual.

I dual booted into DOS and Windows 3.1 for a long time after I first installed Linux. I would see a similar situation if I used a stock smartphone and had a free phone, I might use them interchangably for years before switching, but it would still be worthwhile.

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Post by rwmj »

pjc50 wrote: post #152
afandian wrote: post #103

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So how do people without phones participate in society? I don't use a google account on my phone, so that means no App Store. I'm trying to one day get rid of my google account too. It doesn't cause me many issues in the UK though I can't use things like Uber, and that's no loss to me. How would I get on in Denmark?

The UK government "settled status" application procedure for EU nationals resident after Brexit was only available as an Android app. Otherwise you had to apply in person at a specific site. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/03/mps-slam-an...

It should have been a website. Why on earth was it an app? Presumably so it could spy on the other data on your phone.

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Post by rwmj »

mr__y wrote: post #137
StavrosK wrote: post #126

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Funny you should mention that, my Google account got somehow restricted yesterday due to Google Pay not liking my rooted phone. Now not only can I not pay with the phone, but I have to submit all my private information to a random Google web page, hope someone sees this, hope they agree it's correct, and hope that this was the problem in the first place (since all the app says is "this operation cannot be completed")…

Imagine future cashless society with mobile-only payments. And a smart-car that needs a phone to open/start. And a smart-home with front-door unlocked with a phone. If you loose/break your phone - no problem, you can replace it with a new one, borrow one or use that old phone you keep in a drawer just in case. Not a huge deal. But if your account gets locked you have a problem. I'm afraid we as a society are giving t…

You don't need to wait! Visit China today. In all seriousness they are heading this way - you need a WeChat account to do or pay for just about anything, you will soon need face verification to sign in to any internet service, and fingerprint readers on doors are very much a thing.

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Post by NilsIRL »

Can someone explain to me why Purism has so much trouble making the Librem 5 when the PinePhone exists?

Purism has had so many pre orders and the PinePhone only costs $149 but with that budget can't make the Librem.

What is it that makes it so difficult?

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Post by jdillaaa »

rsync wrote: post #221
jdillaaa wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neat! I have a similar setup, except a little more native support because of Twilio Wireless (not sure if you know about this? https://www.twilio.com/wireless ) I have the Twilio SIM (T-Mobile coverage) in my primary SIM (iPhone dual sim), and then Verizon/ATT/Sprint/TMobile on my e-sim. The e-sim is for data only, because data is expensive (and slow) on Twilio. If you don't have Dual Sim then the data element may be…

Yes, I do have some of the Twilio SIMs but I live in a verizon-only zone so ... Interesting how you are sending SMS with different caller-ID based on contacts, but I am curious - without a VOIP dialer, can you place voice calls from your native dialer with different caller ID ? Please, please email (or trouble ticket) twilio and ask them to add an "email" verb to twiml ... That is one of the big missing links in all…

> Interesting how you are sending SMS with different caller-ID based on contacts, but I am curious - without a VOIP dialer, can you place voice calls from your native dialer with different caller ID ?

Yes it is not very pleasant, and it is how you basically described it where you call a Twilio number, and then type in the destination. You could set up some sort of signaling where you activate the outbound number with an SMS which may be less cumbersome than dialing on a phone call, but for native support that is the only way I can think of -- just dialing the target number would of course route from your main Telco

A decent SIP app might be an alternative here, I haven't explored them thoroughly because of Twilio Wireless (last I checked they weren't spectacular, but SIP is good)

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Post by bthallplz »

curioussavage wrote: post #73
ohiovr wrote: post #3

Can python be used to make an "app"?

I have a couple gtk apps in progress written in python for phones using purism's libhandy. gnome builder makes it pretty darn easy, though Gtk's docs could use some love.

Woah, I didn't realize that we can use it in Python already!

How do you go about using it? I see that there's Python mentioned on https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Purism/libhandy but would it still not work if the phone itself doesn't have libhandy? Would you be able to install libhandy on Ubuntu Touch or Plasma Mobile?

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Post by Avamander »

kop316 wrote: post #32
Avamander wrote: post #28

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VoLTE requires carrier support unless some very clever hacks I'm unaware. I am pretty sure that's the case with PinePhone as well, meaning it will drop to 3G.

That's my assumption as well, I was just curious. Their latest post indicates that they are wokring on VoLTE: https://www.pine64.org/2019/12/05/december-update-thank-you-...

Maybe they want to support it so that carriers could support it?

Re: PinePhone Review

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Post by rsync »

jdillaaa wrote: post #227
rsync wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I do have some of the Twilio SIMs but I live in a verizon-only zone so ... Interesting how you are sending SMS with different caller-ID based on contacts, but I am curious - without a VOIP dialer, can you place voice calls from your native dialer with different caller ID ? Please, please email (or trouble ticket) twilio and ask them to add an "email" verb to twiml ... That is one of the big missing links in all…

> Interesting how you are sending SMS with different caller-ID based on contacts, but I am curious - without a VOIP dialer, can you place voice calls from your native dialer with different caller ID ? Yes it is not very pleasant, and it is how you basically described it where you call a Twilio number, and then type in the destination. You could set up some sort of signaling where you activate the outbound number with…

"You could set up some sort of signaling where you activate the outbound number with an SMS ..."

Thanks - that is a great idea and I might consider implementing that ...

I think a SIP/VOIP app might be cleaner, and I see that some VOIP apps now support SMS, if I understand correctly ? Call quality and volume issues are a side-effect of the voip dialers, though ...

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