Gitmoji – Yay or Nay? • Hacker News Board

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by greggman2 » Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 1:36 AM UTC

krageon wrote: post #163

greggman2 wrote: post #159

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They're hard to type? On Mac is Cmd-Ctrl-Space on Windows its Win-Period I generally find those against emoji to be unintentionally racist since other cultures have been using various characters for decades if not longer

What about the conversation here has been racist in the way you imply? This is a strawman that came entirely from left field.

Japanese culture has used symbols (not kanji, more like dingbats) for at least 20 years if not 30 to 35. They use them in business documents all the time. The most common are probably ●○◎■□▲△▼△. In fact like in the USA a generic name might be "Smith" in Japanese they often using 〇〇さん.

Further, they've been using emoji for the last 20 years. So telling them they can't is basically telling all of Japan they're 2nd class. Their standards and ways of communicating don't matter. Lots of programmers from cultures where emoji and symbols were not in common use dismiss them because in their culture they were not in common use just a few years ago but other cultures have been using them much much longer. As such, banning them is unintentionally racist.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by wizzwizz4 » Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 6:50 PM UTC

bonoboTP wrote: post #145

feanaro wrote: post #43

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The worst part of it is that this obsession with "generations" is almost exclusively tied to the US. In most countries, this concept is not part of the memescape at all, so it's even more confusing.

When you think about it a bit, you realize there just cannot be "generations" in that sense. People are continuously being born in each and every year. In a family tree there are generations sure, based on the levels of the tree, but not in a population. The exception is special baby boom periods and their echoes, which do create some more "lumping" or births. The worst is when people try to apply American generation…

Coming from a culture without this obsession, it took me a very long time to learn the concept of generations. And I'm quite upset that I did; it's fairly deeply embedded in my mind, now, as I tied it to so many other concepts in a desperate attempt to make it make any sense. (Is a generation twenty years, or fifty? I still don't know.) It takes some effort to make that realisation now, but I remember thinking exactly those arguments when I was younger, trying to reject the concept.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by bonoboTP » Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 7:28 PM UTC

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #222

bonoboTP wrote: post #145

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When you think about it a bit, you realize there just cannot be "generations" in that sense. People are continuously being born in each and every year. In a family tree there are generations sure, based on the levels of the tree, but not in a population. The exception is special baby boom periods and their echoes, which do create some more "lumping" or births. The worst is when people try to apply American generation…

Coming from a culture without this obsession, it took me a very long time to learn the concept of generations. And I'm quite upset that I did; it's fairly deeply embedded in my mind, now, as I tied it to so many other concepts in a desperate attempt to make it make any sense. (Is a generation twenty years, or fifty? I still don't know.) It takes some effort to make that realisation now, but I remember thinking exactl…

> Is a generation twenty years, or fifty? I still don't know

Should be the same as the age gap between parents and children, so about 20-40 years, roughly speaking.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by iudqnolq » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 3:57 AM UTC

big_chungus wrote: post #198

emilecantin wrote: post #197

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My first name is Émile. This is not some attempt at sophistication, it's just my name. It's kind of sad to see that even a simple accent like that is butchered by so many sites (I often see my name written as Ä©~mile)

Other languages figured out good compromises, e.g. Dostoyevsky is transliterated from Достоевский; the name of China's current dictator doesn't even render in my browser, but is transliterated to Jinping Xi. German passports have the German version for humans, and a standardized, transliterated version for computers. Gößmann becomes GOESSMANN. I see no reason why the same thing can't happen; just drop the accent from…

A nitpick: Xi is his last name, but Chinese names are generally transliterated in the Chinese order of LAST FIRST ("Xi Jinping"). If you do a verbatim Google search for "Jinping Xi" you'll get around 500 results.

If a Chinese person adopts an English name, they'll put it first, however. Eg "Jake Ma".