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Some users say they're getting rid of Fitbit because they don't trust Google

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Re: Some users say they're getting rid of Fitbit because they don't trust Google

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I also deleted.

We are not representative of the general population, so our anecdotes are almost worthless.

I'd wager the whole 'google has all your health records' scare right now increases the number a bit right now.

Re: Some users say they're getting rid of Fitbit because they don't trust Google

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Not the OP, but my Apple Watch has changed my life. Being able to track, manage, and be challenged on my exercise habits has helped me lose 30 pounds in 7 months. Plus the convenience of knowing who’s calling without pulling my phone out, answer the call or text message directly from my Watch, check the temperature at a glance... And it’s pretty good at telling time, too.

So just to be clear If someone wear 1-10-100 "smart devices" that someone do not loose weight You lost weight because you work hard, you eat smart and you change habits https://www.strongerbyscience.com/complete-guide-to-bar-spee... About phone calls - I prefer do not answer at all. Better to recall or write message or mail About measurements - you really can't rely on any of wrist device sensors. They are not calibr…

This reminds me of the discussion where someone asserted that because were capable of taking our own pulse there’s no advantage to a device that tracks it all the time.

I’m not going to throw a chest sensor on every time I leave for lunch just in case I decide to jog there. Or when I get up from my desk to run up and down the stairs.

Nor is a chest sensor going to remind me to stand up every hour. Or allow me to set a reminder to take a bag out of my car when I get home. Or tell me what song is playing.

You’re welcome to choose not to use a smart watch, but to claim they can’t improve someone’s life is willful ignorance of the facts. They’ve already literally saved lives.

Re: Some users say they're getting rid of Fitbit because they don't trust Google

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I don’t know about anyone else, but I just got rid of my Fitbit and never spoke of it on social media. My guess is it’s limited a few thousand to low tens of thousands of people which is not economically meaningful on it’s own. But, it does show another side of the privacy debate. Many companies are selling data not because it’s significant revenue, but rather because they have no reason to leave money on the table.…

I'm sure the number is fairly insignificant, especially for a company as big as Google. As for myself, I requested that all my data be deleted when I first heard rumours about the buyout, and I haven't used my Fitbit since.

were you actively using it up until the announcement?

Re: Some users say they're getting rid of Fitbit because they don't trust Google

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Pro tip for Fitbit users that want a great alternative: https://www.withings.com/

At first glance, these products looked compelling. But how is Withings actually any better? Per https://www.withings.com/us/en/legal/privacy-policy : >"How do we use your personal data? ... >Marketing, advertising and making recommendations[.] Your personal data may be used to offer surveys, competitions, discount coupons or events in which you are free to participate. We may provide you with information on our Produ…

Well, if the data is never leaving your wrist you will never see any graphs and never actually enjoy the great things a training watch gives you.

Sure they may store my personal data and I would prefer if they didn't sell it to any third party. I would also prefer a product which can store information locally on the phone but never sync it to the "cloud".

The thing is, there is no such products because people are stupid and would be furious if they switch phones and their data was lost on them because they didn't understand that the data was only stored locally and never left the device.

I would buy such a product, if it existed, but it don't AFAIK. Fitbit stored the same amount of data as Withings do, it's just because Google bought them that people are worried.

Withings is basically a rival to Fitbit and since you don't want the data to ever leave your wrist, this sort of product is clearly not for you.

Re: Some users say they're getting rid of Fitbit because they don't trust Google

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Classic example of an article in search of a movement. Take a handful of tweets that share an opinion and write an article that makes it seem like there's a mass exodus. It's ok, you don't need anything more than a handful of tweets to back your claim. Yes, some people are privacy conscious and are going to stop using Fitbit but how many are actually doing it? A lot? A few? Who knows. I'm sure author has no clue but…

I'm getting rid of everything. I want a bumper sticker "burn fb,goo, etc to the ground"

Boycott my fitbit, I will. Jog angrily outside Google HQ all day, (sans credits, or achievements,) I must.

Re: Some users say they're getting rid of Fitbit because they don't trust Google

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At first glance, these products looked compelling. But how is Withings actually any better? Per https://www.withings.com/us/en/legal/privacy-policy : >"How do we use your personal data? ... >Marketing, advertising and making recommendations[.] Your personal data may be used to offer surveys, competitions, discount coupons or events in which you are free to participate. We may provide you with information on our Produ…

Well, if the data is never leaving your wrist you will never see any graphs and never actually enjoy the great things a training watch gives you. Sure they may store my personal data and I would prefer if they didn't sell it to any third party. I would also prefer a product which can store information locally on the phone but never sync it to the "cloud". The thing is, there is no such products because people are stu…

I think the point I was making is not whether the data is allowed to leave my wrist, but to "let me be in actual control" of my data.

In a world of USB sticks, micro SD cards, and $5 Raspberry Pis, I can imagine human-friendly ways of sharing data that don't involve tethering my wrist to someone else's computer.

> The thing is, there is no such products because people are stupid and would be furious if they switch phones and their data was lost on them because they didn't understand that the data was only stored locally and never left the device.

"[P]eople are stupid"? I'd like to give people a bit more credit. They can move data around, without surprise or fury: plenty still use Ethernet cables, USB sticks, iPod Shuffles, Blurays, etc.

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I stopped using my Fitbit the day they were acquired. Didn't feel the need to tweet or exclaim about it. You may be surprised at the total number.

I did the same for my Nest cams -- don't have a twitter account so maybe I don't count?

Like YouTube tells you when you accidentally hit the like-button: "Sign in to make your opinion count."

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Bumber stickers are simple to make. If you're so passionate about this, why haven't you made one yet?

It's just perfect that you asked. With the environment of things relating to this article but in no specific terms........ I feel uncomfortable putting these words on my car...in the US.

So why say that you want the bumper sticker?

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I have never felt harmed or threatened by the idea that my anonymized data (health or otherwise) is being used by large organizations... assuming it is anonymized. As far as I can see, there are many good uses of this data (some potentially profitable, such as selling to health insurance companies so they can better price their products and evaluate risks) and very few bad uses of this data. Can someone please clarif…

Because it is -never - going to be anonymized. They are going to call it anonymized, and then publicly apologize for it not being so a couple of times, while keeping business as usual. There is just no incentive for them to anonymize it.

Every organization and project I've worked for, for companies much smaller than Google, has done its best to comply with eliminating PII.

https://www.gsa.gov/reference/gsa-privacy-program/rules-and-...

Re: Some users say they're getting rid of Fitbit because they don't trust Google

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So just to be clear If someone wear 1-10-100 "smart devices" that someone do not loose weight You lost weight because you work hard, you eat smart and you change habits https://www.strongerbyscience.com/complete-guide-to-bar-spee... About phone calls - I prefer do not answer at all. Better to recall or write message or mail About measurements - you really can't rely on any of wrist device sensors. They are not calibr…

This reminds me of the discussion where someone asserted that because were capable of taking our own pulse there’s no advantage to a device that tracks it all the time. I’m not going to throw a chest sensor on every time I leave for lunch just in case I decide to jog there. Or when I get up from my desk to run up and down the stairs. Nor is a chest sensor going to remind me to stand up every hour. Or allow me to set…

>to a device that tracks it all the time

There is the problem with hand devices and quality of measurements they do

Article describe it more properly

If you have heart problems and you need some measurements there are a lot of medical _calibrated_ devices for that

There are 0 devices for that which has only hand wearable part

Also consider such cases when such devices can do a lot of harm https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/28/fitness-tracki...

Any tech has pros and cons

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