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Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Post by nlfwhulsdhouv »

euroPoor wrote: post #94
manigandham wrote: post #46

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Google and most SV companies are somewhere between left to far-left.

Imagine saying this with a straight face when “Google and most SV companies” became literally the largest donors of neoliberal lobbying in the US during the last 10 years (also, Europe). Your worldview skews very right if you say that. While I respect you and your opinion, the framing of Google being ‘far-left’ is absolutely out of touch with reality. Sure, Google management tries to have a position in the US culture…

> While I respect you and your opinion

You're evidently more kind than me.

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Post by pcwalton »

umeshunni wrote: post #91
pas wrote: post #70

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US "left" is basically center though.

Really?? There are actual communists and anarchists winning elections in the US west coast these days (e.g. Sawant, a Marxist and Chesa Boudin, an anarchist who worked for Hugo Chavez).

Boudin isn't anything new for San Francisco city politics. Harry Britt was a member of the Democratic Socialists of America when he was elected as a Supervisor back in 1979.

The SF politicians who continue to higher office tend to be mainstream Democrats: Kamala Harris, Dianne Feinstein, Gavin Newsom, Scott Wiener, David Chiu, etc.

Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Post by nlfwhulsdhouv »

tortasaur wrote: post #206
Loughla wrote: post #183

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What are you honestly trying to accomplish in this thread? What is the point of all of your overgeneralizing and contradictory statements? What are you doing this for?

How is the parent comment overgeneralizing? The generalization jumping out at me is the grandparent's "all corporations are right-leaning by nature". The position of "corporations' executive decisions and internal culture can evolve separately" appears to be the nuanced one.

The 'left' (as opposed to Liberals) are anticapitalist. HN's brainworm infested "anytime someone calls something racist it's leftist" has very little to do with political theory or history. The left is anticapitalist _by definition_. Any movement not associated with unionization or anticapitalism is not leftist, but either right or liberal.

If the majority of Google workers were leftist it would be structured like Mondragon corp, not like a normal capitalist corporation.

Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Post by nlfwhulsdhouv »

manigandham wrote: post #100
wry_discontent wrote: post #95

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How on Earth do you figure? They're all big corporations owned by capitalists. How could they even come close to far-left? They only seem far-left if you're a reactionary drowning in "Ben Shapiro pwns the libz with LOGIC" videos on YouTube.

I said "between" left and far-left, and that's the majority politics of the employees. Also capitalism has nothing to do with left-vs-right. By your definition, every corporation is right-wing by the fact that it's a corporation and all leftists want communism.

> By your definition, every corporation is right-wing by the fact that it's a corporation and all leftists want communism.

Literally yes, although I'm an ancom and most of the leftists I know are demsoc or anarchist not ML.

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Post by dang »

deanCommie wrote: post #142
streb-lo wrote: post #49

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Generic corporate commitment to 'diversity' is activism? Yeesh.

There are only two genders: Male, and Political. There are only two races: White, and Political.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

darkwater wrote: post #77
techie128 wrote: post #55

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I think their diversity initiatives failed miserable. They created a monoculture that is violently intolerant of diverse viewpoints.

Yeah, absolutely! Poor little white straight men, nowadays you cannot find any of them working in Google. What a pity!

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by zionic »

sagichmal wrote: post #186
ngngngng wrote: post #36

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You phrased this funny, and I think that's why you're getting downvotes since the sarcasm wasn't obvious. You're right though, what we just saw with the linux foundations tone policing and the Lindsay Shepherd situation absolutely confirm this. There is a very effective group of activists that can make life hell for you if you don't hate the same things as them with the same fervor.

This is a deeply disingenuous interpretation of events, to the extent of being a lie. Damore, Woods, and that other dude who went on a misogynist Twitter tirade for a full day, were all deliberate assholes in public. There were consequences for that. This is just and correct.

Please provide citations of him lying, or misogynist Twitter tirades.

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Post by [deleted] »

summerlight wrote: post #209
lucasmullens wrote: post #190

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Yeah, but somehow it managed to work pretty well as a 50,000 person company. I'm not exactly sure why this number was the tipping point.

https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1195130656042496007 I don't think the number is a major factor but the media environment getting hostile against the tech sector in general. Sundar also mentioned about "a coordinated effort to share our conversations", which aligns with my observation.

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Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Post by zionic »

commandlinefan wrote: post #205
markovbot wrote: post #9

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To be clear, "keep politics out of the workplace" is another way of saying "I'm okay with the status quo, and if you don't like it I don't want to hear about it at work".

> "keep politics out of the workplace" Pretty much all of the “pro-politics at the workplace” types would demand that anybody who wore a MAGA hat be fired… so I think that the people who think politics in the workplace are OK are the ones who are actually the ones maintaining the actual status quo: you can have opinions, as long as they’re the same as mine.

Yep, quite simply they demand both the presence of politics in the workplace and their own monopoly on the politics displayed.

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Post by chance_state »

drewg123 wrote: post #107

As an Xoogler (left in 2015) I find that news highly disappointing. I think that without honest, regular Q&A at events like TGIF, the company will become more and more out of touch. When I was there, TGIF was watered down, but we still asked uncomfortable questions of management. I remember asking a question of Sundar when he was head of Android when the Nexus 6 came out questioning our chasing Apple into the high en…

Do you remember other "uncomfortable" or probing questions that were asked? Just out of curiosity.

I work for a company that holds similar "town halls" where employees are able to ask anonymous questions of management and they can get pretty brutal sometimes ("why is turnover so high?", "why is upper management's compensation so much higher than others?", etc).

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