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Undercover reporter reveals life in a Polish troll farm

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Re: Undercover reporter reveals life in a Polish troll farm

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> “For them it was just work and that’s it.” Is it? If someone's job is spewing cleverly provocative, disruptive, toxic, and intentionally negative messages all day ... does that edgy skill and behaviour not leak into their home or personal life? I understand, these workers need jobs and I'm sure some get quite proficient at trolling. But my gut says there will be personal side effects from reinforcing and working yo…

The effects of having no money and nothing to eat and nowhere to live, I assume, are much stronger than the ones you are describing.

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So, can this particular problem be solved if social media accounts had to be tied to a verifiable identity?

I don't think we should go that route - as just some non-celebrity figure I would much rather post psuedo-anonymously because the social costs of accidentally saying something "bad" on the internet is way too high. I'm just trying to figure out where the boundaries are.

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I don't think it's just government, but also likely industries as well. I've seen what could only be trolling for support of nuclear power and the medical industry.

What do nuclear power trolls look like? I support nuclear power (instead of fossil fuels and in addition to renewables) and, sadly, I haven't got a cent from the nuclear industry yet.

> What do nuclear power trolls look like?

A glow in the dark Shrek I suppose.

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It comes from the federal indictment of the Russian troll farm called the Internet Research Agency in February 2016, in which the IRA would “use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump—we support them.)” This has been confirmed with research by independent media analysts like Johnathan Albright. There's a good summary here: https://slate.com/technology/2018/02/what-we-know-about-th…

There is no evidence in there, only claims with a healthy peppering of qualification or misleadingly speculative terms like "alleged", "according to", "supports the idea", " believed to be", Russian-"linked", etc. If you look carefully, you might even notice there's not even an attempt to provide any evidence. Like any other article on this topic, it just presents the claims as if evidence has been provided . But the…

So the Slate article is a summary - I didn't pretend it was a published peer reviewed journal article or anything else. I also upvoted your question so I'm not sure why both your question and my answer were downvoted.

If you are genuinely interested in this, then it is easy enough to search out what they're referencing in the article. Even the Albright research (I found it), but I'm not even sure you know what your burden of proof is here.

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What this article fails to mention: there was recently a case discovered where one of the clients of these troll farms was... Ministry of Justice. They used to slander judges who were not in the political line of thought of the previous / current leading party. The knowledge of this was as high up as Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the man who appears to be driving the whole country from the back seat. One of many, many articles…

I can't say it surprises me. But I think by now every government is using such farms. I find it difficult to believe otherwise based on recent FCC issues ( https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jsvine/net-neutrality-f... ). Yes, sadly, I am invoking everyone is doin' it.

Speculation. The US government is not sponsoring Troll Farms. Private companies in the USA almost certainly are. That's what happened with the FCC.

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post #62

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I don't think it's just government, but also likely industries as well. I've seen what could only be trolling for support of nuclear power and the medical industry.

What do nuclear power trolls look like? I support nuclear power (instead of fossil fuels and in addition to renewables) and, sadly, I haven't got a cent from the nuclear industry yet.

Yeah I don't get that. Often online SJW and others accuse people of being a troll if they aren't being agreed with. That's why the universal principal of Free Speech should be observed if you want to keep it. I continue to support nuclear energy whenever I can. We need far more research into Fusion and new generations of fission reactors that -can't- go critical and the other side continues to use unfounded nimby-ism to prevent new reactors from being built.

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No way. Sadly, the sole existence of troll farms is enough to create and reinforce political paranoia. Your message (parent) here, for example, is exactly the kind of stuff I've come to associate with Russian and similar trolling (sowing distrust in institutions etc.)...

But you have to be extremely naive to not believe it. Work somewhere near marketing and you realize everything is shilled upon you. The politicians have used these tricks hundreds of years ago, things are just different with a new platform. Have you thought about the idea that you yourself are a victim of a marketing department if you believe every criticism is related to Russian campaigns?

Paid for troll farms are waste of money when the general public already agrees with the party. Thus, many parties have no reason to do this when members of the general public are willing to do it for free.

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What do nuclear power trolls look like? I support nuclear power (instead of fossil fuels and in addition to renewables) and, sadly, I haven't got a cent from the nuclear industry yet.

You will see "we need nuclear power because it's the greenest/most renewable/etc... energy" type posts dispersed all through social media almost anywhere there's a discussion about climate change, renewable energy, etc... Even if the original topic was only tangentially related it will get changed. A post with puppy photos can turn into a climate change discussion because "nuclear power is so green". It's so common n…

Not it's not, imagine a world where we have steady, dependable power with nuclear power sources and supplemental power with solar and wind where it makes sense. I don't know a single nuclear power fan who doesn't also support other relatively clean power sources as well. All I ever hears is "but radiation!" and not much more to argue against it. We have perfectly sufficient ideas on containing the byproducts.

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Let's run with your idea and let's say that there are clandestine efforts to promote the idea of nuclear power generation in the public -- cui bono? Who benefits? Are there any major initiatives in the nuclear industry? Are any new plants starting to be built? All I've seen is a bunch of plants that have horrible cost overruns and no fixed time line for being finished. That doesn't sound like something that you'd wan…

I don't know, but maybe discussing it will bring some light to this subject? Maybe a system/method to determine who is a professional troll? ----- Pro-Troll Filter: (first draft) 1. Is the commenter able to rationally discuss the downsides of their position? NO? Possibly a pro-troll or an irrational comment. 2. Is the commenter willing to admit past errors in implementing of their ideal solution, and also consider th…

Why would a paid troll degenerate to irrationally?

If anyone is going to have a script and long list of references to draw from, wouldn’t it be the paid shill? Provided by their employer?

It seems more likely to me that most people are just an emotional wreck and don’t perform well in debate.

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There is no evidence in there, only claims with a healthy peppering of qualification or misleadingly speculative terms like "alleged", "according to", "supports the idea", " believed to be", Russian-"linked", etc. If you look carefully, you might even notice there's not even an attempt to provide any evidence. Like any other article on this topic, it just presents the claims as if evidence has been provided . But the…

So the Slate article is a summary - I didn't pretend it was a published peer reviewed journal article or anything else. I also upvoted your question so I'm not sure why both your question and my answer were downvoted. If you are genuinely interested in this, then it is easy enough to search out what they're referencing in the article. Even the Albright research (I found it), but I'm not even sure you know what your b…

> So the Slate article is a summary - I didn't pretend it was a published peer reviewed journal article or anything else. I also upvoted your question so I'm not sure why both your question and my answer were downvoted.

>>> I'm not sure when you're referencing, but Russian troll farms used Sanders to divide the left on social media websites.

>> This is news to me, are you able to cite any specific evidence? (Not vague allegations or assertions of fact, but rather actual, specific, somewhat confirmable evidence.

> ~you reply with a link to a document which is exactly what I asked you to not reply with.

I expect this is why you were downvoted.

I am downvoted (on this comment, and several others within a span of a few minutes) for not accepting the popular meme. This topic seems to be very strongly identity-related, so logical thinking seems to become very downgraded, replaced by post-hoc rationalization and a variety of other fascinating cognitive quirks.

I mean, think about it - we are on HN, a website full of very intelligent people, and any comment asking for evidence on certain topics will be downvoted. Why doesn't one person ever provide some evidence and utterly crush the "idiot" conspiracy theorists? I believe the reason is, because people literally can't think properly in certain situations. Their heuristics completely overpower their conscious and logical mind, knowingly or not. Hopefully someone starts to notice this and actually studies it, because it seems like it could be very harmful to society.

I believe this is one of the root problems of the day, so I will continue to point it out and take my downvotes in lieu of reasoned disagreement, which never comes.

> If you are genuinely interested in this, then it is easy enough to search out what they're referencing in the article.

I've done so many, many times, and at the end of the trail (if the link aren't dead as some are in the linked article), inevitably the factual proof is always based on one or more articles that I earlier described as "claims with a healthy peppering of qualification or misleadingly speculative terms like "alleged", "according to", "supports the idea", "believed to be", Russian-"linked", etc."

I continue to ask those who assert factual knowledge on the matter, and continue to be disappointed.

> I'm not even sure you know what your burden of proof is here.

I do: none, because I've made no assertion, I've only asked for evidence of yours: "Russian troll farms used Sanders to divide the left on social media websites."

I am quite certain there is only suspicion of this. This is certainly the case with the "Russian" trolls on Twitter, because they said it outright, as well as described their identification methodology. I can't comment for sure on Facebook, because I've never encountered an article that describes the identification methodology.

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