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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by darrmit »

computerex wrote: post #212
darrmit wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came here to say the same. I do have more issues with macOS than I did, say, 5 years ago. However, the constant Windows update cycle is a nightmare and Linux still can't seem to get battery life and things like Bluetooth (audio inputs, etc.) quite right, so I'm left with hoping that Apple gets their stuff back together. Operating system stability just seems to have declined in general in the last 3-5 years.

Have you tried using tlp/powertop? I'd say my battery life is pretty comparable to Windows after having done some optimizations using aforementioned tools.

I have not, but will check it out. My problem is I love the idea of being able to tinker and get to a super stable, lovable mobile Linux setup, but I just don't have time right now. Maybe someday. :)

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by mattigames »

nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

Opinions are a funny thing, I find MacOs vastly inferior to Windows, but I grew up with Windows so I'm biased that way; I'm betting you and people claiming 'the good old days of mac' are biased too.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by walmandurebu »

tasogare wrote: post #8

I had the same issue with XCode update. Today, the download finally started, progress bar reached 100% then... XCode was not installed. Infuriating. Too bad Microsoft don’t allow easy access to LTSB and destroyed Windows UI. I feel the state of commercial OS declined sharply in the last decade.

Yeap, me too. I tried to update XCode a couple of times with 0 success.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by wil421 »

Razengan wrote: post #177
wil421 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple 201X: Release something new software or hardware. HN: 5 articles daily about the end of Apple and how bad the new thing sucks. The amount of hate Apple gets is so much larger compared to Microsoft, Google, Linux, or any big tech. It might even me more than the others combined.

> The amount of hate Apple gets is so much larger compared to Microsoft, Google, Linux, or any big tech. Because some of those other companies are paying for it: https://www.google.com/search?q=Samsung+paid+students+for+re...

Ouch. Somehow I missed hearing about Samsung.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by chooseaname »

yboris wrote: post #154
webjac wrote: post #148

Apple 2019: Siri remind me to call mom when I get home Linux 2000: … Apple 2019: Use my iPad as a secondary screen wirelessly Linux 2000: … Apple 2019: AirPlay to my TV this content Linux 2000: … Apple 2019: Sync my contacts, notes, calendars, wirelessly with all my devices Linux 2000: … Can we stop being ridiculous now or do I have to keep lowering myslef to the stupidity of the writer of this?

Look up "charitable interpretation" or "Principle of charity" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Basically -- don't assume the person is stupid, figure out a way to interpret it better. Surely the author is aware of the inaccuracies in a direct comparison. The author is implicitly pointing out that a multi-billion dollar corporation is putting out a product that is not polished in several ways, while…

> Surely the author is aware of the inaccuracies in a direct comparison. The author is implicitly pointing out that a multi-billion dollar corporation is putting out a product that is not polished in several ways, while people who love the product do mental gymnastics to defend against any flaw rather than admitting that such flaws exist.

It's like the people on Reddit ios/apple/mac subs who run iOS 13 or Catalina betas and claim they haven't experienced a single bug. I don't understand that mentality. One, you're defending a corporation. Two, even if they make your favorite devices/software, it's OK to say something negative.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by ubermonkey »

Wow, this article is bad -- like, literally WRONG on nearly every boldfaced point.

1. "External monitors don't work". Wrong. I present often, and frequently use hotel projectors or monitors. I've never had a problem connecting to a monitor.

2. "You can only install software from the App Store". Wrong. Software installation is simple. Sure, you can use the App Store, but you absolutely do not have to.

3. "Only a limited number of hardware works out of the box". I have yet to run into a hardware compatibility problem. I use non-Apple keyboards and non-Apple mice, non-Apple cameras, non-Apple mass storage, Sennheiser headset, etc.

4. Tech support with Apple is better than I've had with any other major tech vendor, including Dell -- where we pay out the wazoo for supposedly gold-plated support -- with only one actual problem: Apple doesn't sell the 'we fix it RIGHT NOW' plan Dell offers. (Of course, Dell tends not to actually meet this promise, so ...)

5. "It is very difficult to find a laptop with more than 2 USB ports." Wrong. Apparently the author didn't look very hard, because the 15" Macbook Pro has 4 USB-C ports. Here, he seems to be mad that the other two models -- marketed as compact and slim over powerful -- have made more tradeoffs to be small than the 15".

So yeah, forgive me if I don't take his comments terribly seriously. It's not that there aren't some very legitimate criticisms to be made about Cupertino, even if you don't take a position on proprietary software. There definitely are. But absolutely none of these are valid.

However, I'm absolutely certain that the Apple-hating contingent on HN will eat it up with a spoon. :(

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by basch »

wil421 wrote: post #153
jesuschroist wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is not a single tech support issue which would make me get out of my slippers into some store.

Had an issue with my space bar. Brought it in for a recall, had it back within 5 days. The fixed it in house and didn’t send it to a 3rd party. Speed and Apple employees fixing things had me put on my slippers. Meanwhile HP doesn’t want to fix my work Zbook because while the high pitch fan whine is annoying, the computer still functions. Keys and the little mouse button are falling off after one year.

Lenovo ThinkPads have like a 2 day turnaround. Good service and speed isnt exclusive to Apple, do they really deserve credit for something many companies execute well? Apple brought enterprise level support to consumers, past enterprise price.

In my experience Lenovo Thinkpad hardware customer service easily beats Apple in efficiency and speed. You spend considerably less time debating the topic than with Apple and Dell. "Hey this is broken, did you try this, ok send it in, we will ship you a box." Or for less than $100 you can have 2-3 years on-site. On a higher end X1 Carbon right now 2 year on site with accidental damage (ad is usually depot only, but the on site covers normal failures) is less than $200. 5 days to get my laptop back to me would feel slow.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by alecmg »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #213
clownpenis_fart wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux 2000: writing a post summarizing Linux's issues will compel a point by point response in which a fanboy will either tell you "works for me" or "you're holding it wrong". Apple 2019: writing a post summarizing Apple products' issues will compel a point by point response in which a fanboy will either tell you "works for me" or "you're holding it wrong".

It is worth noting that a Linux 2019 entry in that list would be also completely identical to Linux 2000.

hardware compatibility, laptop compatibility and perhaps plugging in monitors have definitely improved.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by ubermonkey »

clownpenis_fart wrote: post #185
threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

Linux 2000: writing a post summarizing Linux's issues will compel a point by point response in which a fanboy will either tell you "works for me" or "you're holding it wrong". Apple 2019: writing a post summarizing Apple products' issues will compel a point by point response in which a fanboy will either tell you "works for me" or "you're holding it wrong".

In any case, writing a point by point post full of false claims can and should result in rebuttals.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by gutnor »

wayneftw wrote: post #188
threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

> 5. If you resort to calling groups of people "condescending elitist hipster latte drinkers" then pretty sure you've lost the argument. They concluded with it. Resorting to it would mean that they had no other arguments to make.

Well, if I made a set of superficially good argument about African American in the US and concluded with something like "Niggers, by far the less evolved human species", wouldn't that cast some serious doubt on my work ?

That's exagerated of course, but really if you can't help yourself to stay civil for a whole article, there is no way your bias have not tainted the rest of the article.

Name calling means garbage article and a waste of time for readers.

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