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Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Money as it currently exists isn't personal property, it's an instrument for managing debt incurred by economic activity. Higher taxes on you are just society shifting their priorities away from your interests. Sucks for you, but then, it could just be the rebound from society over-subsidizing your lifestyle.

> Higher taxes on you are just society shifting their priorities away from your interests We shouldn't be prioritizing anyone's interests via an institution with the right to licit first use of force. We have the technology now to charge people directly for the government-provided services they use. If you use it, you should pay for it. Until we start doing this, society is never going to price things properly and pr…

>We shouldn't be prioritizing anyone's interests via an institution with the right to licit first use of force.

Right. We should leave it to individuals with power and influence accrued during the current era, where we... prioritized some people's interests via an institution with the right to licit first use of force. Usually based on heritage.

This is definitely a good idea that you have had.

>what aspects of my lifestyle do you believe society over-subsidizing?

Depends on what your decadent western trade and hobbies are.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Is sticking a shotgun in your mouth because one doctor visit consumed all your life's savings a "thinking problem"? Because I'm seeing a lot of that I don't think it's just a problem some pill will fix.

I'm not sure how to parse this. But I do want to say that you can overcome losing your life savings or losing a loved one or other significant losses. It's emotionally hard. But it can even be a moment of personal growth. Stoic philosophy is a good resource for western audiences looking to handle problems coping with loss.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Oh how I can relate. It's been about a year now since I closed my failed startup, and still no webdev job after many interviews. After a year of countless applications, interviews and networking with no result (insanely repetitive and people can sense the desperation) things start to spiral. I get this sense from friends and family that they begin to think something's wrong with me and distance themselves - not to me…

> I can sort of understand these homeless guys that walk the streets talking to themselves Good for you man. I honestly believe that every person should lose their mind at least once. Once you've built up some insane reality, it'll always be there, and the space between is (IMO) kind of special. It's amazing how one can hold two completely contradictory storylines of the world in their head. And for me it helps with…

You are describing what is known as the "dark night of the soul.". (though traditionally this is a spiritual sense I think the deepness of what you're describing could be spiritual as well.)

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Malnourishment harms anyone, and severe malnourishment at childhood harms a lot https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/child-nutrition... but mostly in poor countries. A nice variant of basic income is minimal tax return when everyone gets tax return proportional to a small percentage of the total tax collected past year. This would allow to gradually reduce other forms of social payments, without introducing a…

Is malnourishment a problem among the poor in the US? Looking around, it seems the problem of the poor in the US is obesity.

Lots of kids from poor families start the school day hungry

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/03/give-k...

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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post #23

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Malnourishment harms anyone, and severe malnourishment at childhood harms a lot https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/child-nutrition... but mostly in poor countries. A nice variant of basic income is minimal tax return when everyone gets tax return proportional to a small percentage of the total tax collected past year. This would allow to gradually reduce other forms of social payments, without introducing a…

Is malnourishment a problem among the poor in the US? Looking around, it seems the problem of the poor in the US is obesity.

I dropped multiple dress sizes by improving my nutrition. I also got my younger son to drop weight without dieting by buying him dark chocolate as a means to discourage him from eating chocolate pop tarts. I learned he was eating chocolate pop tarts all day, concluded he was specifically craving cocoa and found him a better source of cocoa so he could get enough cocoa with fewer calories.

I suspect obesity is frequently due to getting too little nutrition while getting enough/too much in the way of calories. You keep eating precisely because you are malnourished and it fosters cravings.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Oh how I can relate. It's been about a year now since I closed my failed startup, and still no webdev job after many interviews. After a year of countless applications, interviews and networking with no result (insanely repetitive and people can sense the desperation) things start to spiral. I get this sense from friends and family that they begin to think something's wrong with me and distance themselves - not to me…

Hey, would love to connect. I’ve been looking for a few who’ve been there and have appropriate skills. Can be remote/nomadic. Not sure how HN works on the backend - are you able to send me an email or PM?

Yes, thank you. You can reach me at the email in my user profile. I'd love to hear from you.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Regardless, the current and growing level of struggle is unnecessary. Examples elsewhere in the world are not hard to find.

I'm not sure I agree with you. By pretty much every measure, humans are living better lives than in all of the history of humanity. https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy

In basic terms, wealth is about time. Poor people, regardless of the relative wealth or advancement in the society they live in, have most of their time purposed for them.

Wealthy people purpose most of their time.

The majority struggling are poor in this sense.

That is unnecessary.

As a species, yes! We are doing well.

No argument.

Here, right now, in the US, a majority suffer. Their income is not up to their cost and risk exposure, particularly with health care.

They labor too much.

I could go on.

Massive gains have not played out as solid gains in life quality and wealth basics most would agree were set decades ago.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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Poverty harms children. It's possible it harms young adults as well. The sooner we dismiss the notion that we need the poverty to motivate us to work and adopt some form of basic income, the better. It might be cheaper too than current system when you consider all the harm that poverty does to economy and workers.

Giving money to poor you only create more of those. People should be given a chance, not money.

Source?

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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>It took years to shed some of the residual behaviours, even after I started earning decent money. Despite having savings and reliable income I would still let bills run until they were overdue. You wouldn't believe how many "wealthy" people do the exact same thing including not paying their subcontractors etc. My dad used to do electric installations in new built homes. Usually the larger the house and the wealthier…

Wealthy people who want to remain wealthy don't spend their money on massive houses though. They may have high incomes, but if their outgoings are higher, they're still going to have problems.

Eh, not really. If someone has $20m they can easily afford a $5m house, which may not be “massive” in the Bay Area but is basically anywhere else.

It’s not even about income so much as not caring. Put yourself in the position of a very wealthy person, unless you are wealthy enough to have personal staff, what do you care about a $10k bill? It’s not a big deal to you and barely worth thinking about, you could easily just forget about paying it and think if it’s really important to pay in a timely manner someone will hound you and you’ll pay it then. You open the mail, see some bill notice, throw it on the kitchen table and hit the golf course.

Re: Unsteady income in young adulthood linked to thinking problems in middle age

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This is as good a time to vent as any other.

One of the things I find difficult is sharing. Even to close friends, but I don't feel the need to. Maybe I just have been hanging out with the wrong people lately, which I have stopped seeing recently - and to which I have been feeling better since. I'll have to give some thought into the the word "difficult" I decided to use - but I'll leave that for some other time.

I have been teaching myself programming on and off for a few years now. After having had some health issues last year, I ended up five days in a public hospital and stopped programming until earlier this year when I took it up again. The experience in that hospital was bizarrely amusing, but I won't digress. I'm guessing the onset was due to some combination of stress and/or burnout. After the hospital it took months to recuperate.

In that time I didn't have much energy would do some light reading and came across an article, right here on HN about sourdough.

All in all, having a hobby helps. And I'm quite fortunate to have a family that provides food and a roof. But it is taxing on so many levels not to be able to help out, to provide. And with the upcoming holidays it gets hard. It hits me hard.

F*. When I started writing this I did not expect it to take that turn. Let's get back on track.

Right. I picked up programming again earlier this year. Funnily, things started to click. I don't know why, maybe the break helped. Anyhow, looking for jobs is another thing that takes a toll on you. I've never worked in the industry, nor have I had a job for too long. I try to search for jr. jobs and when I do find one, the rejection after rejection does not make it easy.

And despite the sorrow sounding note of this, this is just me venting to strangers on the net. And by the age of the thread, few people will read, if any at all.

I stopped talking to the few acquaintances. People who weren't contributing anything positive in my life. And I have to say, I have been more productive since.

I'm currently learning django. Reading Eloquent Javascript and practicing my vim skills - which I took up recently out of necessity. Funnily I found myself trying to use vim keybindings last time I opened up Visual Studio Code.

And that's not to mention all the other tabs that are open. A back-burner of things I want to learn.

Things may get tough, as they always will. But it's all about knowing when to slow down. Take a deep breath, and every now and then, vent.

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