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I used to fear being a nobody, then I left social media

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If you want trade the cocaine that is HN with a weed variety, you should blog. It's really fufilling. I blog publicly but also journal privately using git and vim. I have been on and off for about 5 years. The raw thoughts rarely show the light of day, but sometimes I synthesize my journal entries as blog posts or HN comments. I refine my true self for the public. This saves me from letter downvotes sway what I belie…

> you should blog. It's really fufilling. In what way? Do you write for yourself then make it public not caring if anyone sees? That doesn't sound fulfilling; I have blog posts over the years which I have no idea if anyone ever saw and it feels a bit of a waste. Do you write as if you're trying to contribute to the world? Then doesn't that depend on feedback to know if you are succeeding or failing, and put you in th…

There's this quote from Kundera's The unbearable lightness of being. Perhaps it makes sense in this context.

    We all need someone to look at us. We can be divided into four categories according to
    the kind of look we wish to live under.  
    The first category longs for the look of an infinite number of anonymous eyes, in other
    words, for the look of the public. That is the case with the German singer, the American
    actress, and even the tall, stooped editor with the big chin. He was accustomed to his
    readers, and when one day the Russians banned his newspaper, he had the feeling
    that the atmosphere was suddenly a hundred times thinner. Nothing could replace the
    look of unknown eyes. He thought he would suffocate. Then one day he realized that
    he was constantly being followed, bugged, and surreptitiously photographed in the
    street. Suddenly he had anonymous eyes on him and he could breathe again! He
    began making theatrical speeches to the microphones in his wall. In the police, he had
    found his lost public.  
    The second category is made up of people who have a vital need to be looked at by
    many known eyes. They are the tireless hosts of cocktail parties and dinners. They are
    happier than the people in the first category, who, when they lose their public, have the
    feeling that the lights have gone out in the room of their lives. This happens to nearly all
    of them sooner or later. People in the second category, on the other hand, can always
    come up with the eyes they need. Marie-Claude and her daughter belong in the second
    category.   
    Then there is the third category, the category of people who need to be constantly
    before the eyes of the person they love. Their situation is as dangerous as the situation
    of people in the first category. One day the eyes of their beloved will close, and the
    room will go dark. Tereza and Tomas belong in the third category.   
    And finally there is the fourth category, the rarest, the category of people who live in the
    imaginary eyes of those who are not present. They are the dreamers. Franz, for
    example. He traveled to the borders of Cambodia only for Sabina. As the bus bumped
    along the Thai road, he could feel her eyes fixed on him in a long stare.

Re: I used to fear being a nobody, then I left social media

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I used to excessively post on Facebook. I started to worry that it was unhealthy- why do I need the constant validation from strangers? What is wrong with me psychologically that I crave that more than my own privacy? So I quit last year and I've felt good about that choice. Now I have 17000 HN points and I'm starting to feel like I gave up meth and replaced it with cocaine. Maybe better, but still not good. Going to…

I have to say I fundamentally disagree with the assertion that "social media bad." I've learned tons of things from communities I follow, including this one, and a number of reddits. I keep in touch with friends of varying distances, and even make plans in my own town.

I'm not saying that the way social media tries to suck you in doesn't make you unhealthy, or their ideal patterns of engagement won't make you miserable, but in my mind that's like saying that Smirnoff's ideal of your consumption will make you an alcoholic, therefore alcohol is bad. Alcohol and social media are perfectly able to be consumed responsibly; perhaps not by everyone, and I would never begrudge someone not partaking if they don't want to. I just get tired of the drumbeat that "social media bad, delete your facebook, don't post on instagram" when I've had and have Facebook, Instagram, Hacker News, Reddit, on and on and they don't make me miserable because I don't obsess over them.

Just saying.

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Being the person who shouts loudest "I am somebody" on social media does not make you somebody worth listening to. This narcissism is the key problem of social media. Oddly enough, social media made it's big entrance via movie stars - I could not possibly be any less surprised at this. It would befit social media to rate someone with importance not according to a check or star but according to actual real world accom…

There's a good Seneca letter, "On Quiet Conversation." It includes these lines: "Philosophy is good advice; and no one can give advice at the top of his lungs... Words should be scattered like seed; no matter how small the seed may be, if it has once found favourable ground, it unfolds its strength and from an insignificant thing spreads to its greatest growth. Reason grows in the same way; it is not large to the out…

So it's like concern trolling.

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I see a lot of people publicly quiting facebook, then quietly rejoining because... well that one person they know only communicates via messenger.

When I finally stopped using Facebook, I didn't close the account. It's just there. It's no longer part of what I do. At some point I realized that the worst thing about the network is not that they do shady things, or trick you into staying, or meddle with politics. The worst thing is the person you gradually become.

The moment you meet someone, you check their facebook, look through their pictures, browse their posts. When you become friends with someone, everytime there is tension you check facebook to see if they haven't posted about it. If it's a lover, you base the status of the relationship on their posts and frequency of pictures. If it's an ex...

In 2015 I wrote [1]:

> On facebook, why would I give someone privacy when I have access to all this information. And I don't even need their permission. I can watch your private pictures because you made them available. It's not that I can find out where you work, where you live, where you eat, everything about you. It's that I actually do find out without ever hiring a private detective. It's not what I can do, it's what I do!

Facebook turns you into an insecure person.

[1]: https://idiallo.com/blog/facebook-and-me

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I took a year off of all of social media and took a break from startup tech in general. I didn't miss it, at all, and I wonder what real tangible value it still has coming back. One thing is for certain, being plugged into the hive mind has clear advantages, especially as it relates to employment. It's like the old adage - it's about who you know, not necessarily what you know.

This. Left my job and traveled for almost a year.

Part of me wanted to push updates to Facebook and Instagram to get the dopamine rush from likes. I pushed myself to not post any updates others than calling//emailing my close friends and family and after a couple months I didn't miss it at all. I felt like I was living for myself in the moment without the need to publicize what I was doing.

Coming back, I still have my social media account and go there maybe once a week. I usually come out of it a bit burned out with the feeling that everything is fake. But overall cutting out social medias has been hugely beneficial.

I'm convinced that Social medias are a negative to humanity and overall causes more depression and anxiety than anything else. It must be extremely difficult to be a teenager in high school without the mental strength to resist that fake world of social medias nowadays

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I quit social media for a long time too. And then I noticed how disconnected I was from all my old school friends and contacts. Even close family that still uses Facebook but I otherwise don’t talk to much directly (brother’s wives posting about their kids and stuff like that, maybe even more extended than that). Really, I’m starting to think that opting out of social media altogether is a bit like opting to be a her…

I felt similar, except in creater scale. There used to be forums and portals, where people share their experiences and knowneledge. Now many forums are almost dead, some are spam towns, some are closed. Few weeks ago was closing party for biggest local music community website. There was heathy forum but owners saw bigger picture and didn't want wait, until place dries up. Facebook seems taken over all kind communicat…

Yeah, tons of board game discussion (gamers, designers, and publishers) migrated over to Facebook Groups. I don't mind it too much because Facebook will let me know when anyone I'm friends with posts to one of these, which includes local gamer friends and people in the industry.

I actually kind of like it, since I only have to check what they posted and can respond to them, and not have to check and read every single thread in a forum to see who I know has posted.

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I quit social media for a long time too. And then I noticed how disconnected I was from all my old school friends and contacts. Even close family that still uses Facebook but I otherwise don’t talk to much directly (brother’s wives posting about their kids and stuff like that, maybe even more extended than that). Really, I’m starting to think that opting out of social media altogether is a bit like opting to be a her…

I bailed out of social media and while I can see how people will value that kind of interaction, I’ve felt a whole heap better forming closer connections and putting the effort into maintaining them.

For me personally, I didn’t see much value in getting second hand info from Facebook. It felt too impersonal and distant.

If I cared about someone getting pregnant or married or whatever I would have preferred the direct conversation over the social optimisation of receiving a broadcast. And if we weren’t close enough for that, then I’m sure it’d come up in conversation at some point. No need to be looking out for an announcement.

Getting rid of social media was basically my decision to cultivate a small handful of meaningful, high quality relationships over a much larger number of less meaningful associations. I see a lot more people in person now I’ve done that.

As an aside, it was as if one aspect of my depression was fuelled by having too much of the rest of the world in my head and not enough of myself, so it was a great move for self-care too.

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I quit social media for a long time too. And then I noticed how disconnected I was from all my old school friends and contacts. Even close family that still uses Facebook but I otherwise don’t talk to much directly (brother’s wives posting about their kids and stuff like that, maybe even more extended than that). Really, I’m starting to think that opting out of social media altogether is a bit like opting to be a her…

Most of my relationships that were worth anything have largely moved to platforms that involve actual conversation rather than the posting format of Facebook. This is stuff like WhatsApp and Discord and Slack mostly. Most of the life update stuff that doesn't merit conversation is on Instagram at this point. I think the key is really just using the services in ways where they can't dark pattern you into engaging with…

I used mbasic at some point (and had the normal one blocked), and then I just unfollowed everyone. I now just check someone's profile when I remember that they exist - once a month or even less often.

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I see a lot of people publicly quiting facebook, then quietly rejoining because... well that one person they know only communicates via messenger. When I finally stopped using Facebook, I didn't close the account. It's just there. It's no longer part of what I do. At some point I realized that the worst thing about the network is not that they do shady things, or trick you into staying, or meddle with politics. The w…

I mean being raised with the attitude when you see the world, the world sees you makes the facebook thing just another venue for that same idea. There is an acceptable level of neglect for a facebook account. Just put up a nice photo of yourself and forget about it. Like myspace and friendster, ect. It's not clear what the value of facebook is to a 'customer'. It's basically a modern day newspaper, with classifieds and crossword puzzles, except your friends are now 50% of the news headlines. I never used to read newspapers either.
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