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Post by hw »

biztos wrote: post #172
DJHenk wrote: post #113

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> And the disturbing part is that I am not even sure why - on its face value it seems great And that is exactly the reason why it is not the right direction. Think about it. Why would one choose a virtual world over the new one? Because apparently the real world is not good enough. On the surface the virtual looks better, but if you engage in it, I think you will probably find out that it is as boring and hard as the…

On the A16Z podcast, Marc Andreessen (IIRC) said something like "VR is not for Silicon Valley where you wake up every day thinking of all the awesome things you can do. VR is for all the people whose everyday life is terrible." When you think about it in those terms it gets seriously dystopian. You put your AR goggles on for your 10-hour shift at the Nike factory, then you pop a protein pill and put your VR goggles o…

I do think there are some merits to VR (a better gaming experience) but framing VR as a new worldly experience feels wrong to me. There are some arguments for Horizon being beneficial for people whose lives aren't great and they get to let off in a better, virtual environment. How is that different than opioids though - both are temporary escapes from real world problems, and that's just what it is which is an escape and not a solution.

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Post by jquery »

puranjay wrote: post #145
jquery wrote: post #87

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You don't need expensive hardware to do better than glossy pastels, at least for desktop gaming. I don't know what the requirements are for VR, but even turning modern games down to low/medium settings can still look pretty stunning if you haven't gamed in a while. This reminds me of higher-res Mii's from the Wii, which was dated tech even at the time. That said, the most important thing people should be asking is: i…

The Nintendo Switch is by no means powerful hardware. But Breath of the Wild looks beautiful on it because of the art style. I really don't think VR needs to wait half a decade for hardware to catch up. Existing systems can create beautiful experiences with the right artistic decisions

I 100% agree. I'd say Breath of the Wild looks incomparably better than this artstyle though. Something about this artstyle feels so... sterile? Maybe I'm just out of touch with what kids are playing these days, although as another commentator said, VR is counter-indicated for children.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

nnq wrote: post #203
ptah wrote: post #156

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> you get to talk to people from all around the world i would say this is a bug not a feature. it should take time and effort to talk to people all over the world.

> it should take time and effort to talk to people all over the world No, it shouldn't, that was the whole point of the global Internet (ignoring its origins), to drill into people's thick skulls that in the end we're all very similar , that most of the "local culture" crap it's just that, CRAP, and deep inside we're all driven by the same fears and desires. That ANY kind of war means just fighting against other peop…

a homogenous culture is like a monocrop agriculture: complete vulnerability to pest or blight

Evolution works best in a diverse population: when the environment shifts, some varieties will be quicker to adapt than others.

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Post by BlueTemplar »

Judgmentality wrote: post #170
BlueTemplar wrote: post #157

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Gameplay >> Graphics

Tell that to the people who get nauseous from VR. There are some people that will get nauseous from VR no matter what, and then there are people of varying sensitivity. The higher refresh rate, lower latency, improved FOV, and improved optics will all help more people be able to experience VR at all. And it will allow everybody to experience it for longer periods of time more comfortably.

I would have put that under "gameplay" (see "teleportation" vs "regular FPS" movement types), but I guess it's a bit of both...

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Post by p1esk »

mnsc wrote: post #148
p1esk wrote: post #69

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We don’t even have powerful enough hardware for that, let alone software. Give it another 10 years.

I had that exact coffee break argument some years ago and have a slack reminder "play some VR" at 9:00 Sunday, December 7th, 2025. I might have to revise that.

6 years from now? Maybe. It depends on Apple - if they release a VR headset by then, it might become an iPhone moment for VR. However it seems like they are focusing on AR, rather than VR, so who knows.

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Post by p1esk »

argo_ wrote: post #193
frisco wrote: post #74

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I don't think this is actually true; being close to some deep learning research groups, it's really surprising how powerful GPUs have gotten. Improvements over the last few years have been very nonlinear; it's kind of astonishing. And, internet latency has also gotten very good. I bet it's totally possible to make something like this now, though most people don't realize it yet!

Run the game in the cloud, stream to the VR. The more you pay for cloud computing, the better your graphics. Why no company is doing that already?

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Post by knotsaltypepper »

The vr world is perfect for someone who has no friends, does not trust people, can not physically or mentally go and meet people. A world where your avatar is modeled after everyone else’s avatar so everyone looks normal and alike is a very welcoming world. Maybe if you could imagine the worst possible situation and circumstance of the real horrible existence that is the actual life of someone else. You may see that the opportunity how ever brief to feel that warmth (love) that a vr metaverse offers would add to a life. That in turn will benefit them so when they take that head set off their life has been enriched and maybe even a smile would replace the tears that nightly put them to sleep. The mind is very powerful and vulnerable. The positive effect that this Horizon can have is amazing.

I will be waiting

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Post by apta »

hw wrote: post #45

Is it just me or is their intro video disturbing? A world where your significant other is next to you but deep in their own virtual world? Hasn't Facebook done enough to disconnect people from the real world? Given the lengths Facebook has gone through to keep users engaged and addicted to their platform, what's stopping them from doing the same with Horizon?

Not to mention it's very cringey, as well as the somewhat implicit messaging where "the kitchen is not only for women", see we have a progressive man here who's preparing a meal for his wife.

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Post by orbifold »

nnq wrote: post #203
ptah wrote: post #156

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> you get to talk to people from all around the world i would say this is a bug not a feature. it should take time and effort to talk to people all over the world.

> it should take time and effort to talk to people all over the world No, it shouldn't, that was the whole point of the global Internet (ignoring its origins), to drill into people's thick skulls that in the end we're all very similar , that most of the "local culture" crap it's just that, CRAP, and deep inside we're all driven by the same fears and desires. That ANY kind of war means just fighting against other peop…

One world and one culture is a nightmare not a dream.
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