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Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by mannykannot » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 3:00 AM UTC

elif wrote: post #175

godelski wrote: post #126

Reading the linked Vice article >"Based on pilot accounts, encounters with these UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomena) often involved complex flight patterns and advanced maneuvering, which demand extreme advances in quantum mechanics, nuclear science, electromagnetics, and thermodynamics.” - Walker > Republican representative Mark Walker of North Carolina This is laughably stupid. QM and nuclear science? Can we call…

If you're going to call his use of those terms incorrect, can you explain a craft travelling supersonic without jets or rockets, leaving no emissions, utilizing no airfoils, consistent with our understanding of physics?

Let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that your description actually describes an artificial object that has actually been observed -- what aspect of quantum mechanics explains it? Invoking QM as an explanation of something you can't explain is not a correct use of the term, unless it actually does provide an explanation, and the same goes for all the other terms.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by gameswithgo » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 3:01 AM UTC

typeformer wrote: post #187

cdumler wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do. When you say this is an "unidentified aerial phenomena" or an "unidentified flying objects," that means it's unidentified. As in: we do not know what we are looking at. You don't get to say, "well, we don't know what this is; therefore, it must be aliens." You say, "We don't know what this is. Until we have more information, there is no conclusion to make." Nothing more. Full stop. The end. And, certainly not t…

Yeah sure, but the fact remains that the government does know, has known, and continues to keep secret that these really are alien craft according to dozens of respected military whistleblowers who courageously came forward to break their NDA's and tell the truth on the subject.

Consider seeking mental health care, think about your life and if there are other signs that you need help.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by mcphage » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 3:02 AM UTC

jazzyjackson wrote: post #215

elif wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're going to call his use of those terms incorrect, can you explain a craft travelling supersonic without jets or rockets, leaving no emissions, utilizing no airfoils, consistent with our understanding of physics?

I don't know, the video didn't show me that the objects traveled at any speed -- that's from the pilots testimony, but maybe it appeared to move against the backdrop as they were banking around it. I would expect fighter pilots to be a good judge, but maybe you lose some sense of velocity when you're surprised by something you haven't seen before. Separately, radar operators saw something they didn't understand. It c…

> I don't know, the video didn't show me that the objects traveled at any speed

That’s because you’re watching a YouTube video that was filmed on a potato, instead of actually, y’know, being there.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by narrator » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 3:03 AM UTC

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Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by jayd16 » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 3:03 AM UTC

elif wrote: post #175

godelski wrote: post #126

Reading the linked Vice article >"Based on pilot accounts, encounters with these UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomena) often involved complex flight patterns and advanced maneuvering, which demand extreme advances in quantum mechanics, nuclear science, electromagnetics, and thermodynamics.” - Walker > Republican representative Mark Walker of North Carolina This is laughably stupid. QM and nuclear science? Can we call…

If you're going to call his use of those terms incorrect, can you explain a craft travelling supersonic without jets or rockets, leaving no emissions, utilizing no airfoils, consistent with our understanding of physics?

Even if it was literally a space craft from another world, nothing suggests the fields of nuclear or quantum science are necessary for a craft we know nothing about.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by PhasmaFelis » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 3:05 AM UTC

chubbyrabbit wrote: post #147

godelski wrote: post #126

Reading the linked Vice article >"Based on pilot accounts, encounters with these UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomena) often involved complex flight patterns and advanced maneuvering, which demand extreme advances in quantum mechanics, nuclear science, electromagnetics, and thermodynamics.” - Walker > Republican representative Mark Walker of North Carolina This is laughably stupid. QM and nuclear science? Can we call…

> This is laughably stupid. QM and nuclear science? I see nothing stupid with using quantum mechanics and nuclear science in this context. > Can we call out politicians for just throwing in words that they don't know what they mean? I'm sure they know what those words mean on a surface level. They don't really need to understand them beyond that point, it's not their job.

> I'm sure they know what those words mean on a surface level.

I don't think he has any idea what they mean beyond "sciencey stuff."

Looking at an impossibly advanced aircraft and assuming it's based on "extreme advances in quantum mechanics and nuclear science" makes as much sense as saying it's based on "extreme advances in organic chemistry and software design." No one with any grasp of engineering would jump straight to these fields that are not, so far as we know, associated in any way with aerospace propulsion. He's just grabbing the coolest science buzzwords he knows to make himself sound serious and professional.

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Post by Jarwain » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 3:05 AM UTC

typeformer wrote: post #187

cdumler wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do. When you say this is an "unidentified aerial phenomena" or an "unidentified flying objects," that means it's unidentified. As in: we do not know what we are looking at. You don't get to say, "well, we don't know what this is; therefore, it must be aliens." You say, "We don't know what this is. Until we have more information, there is no conclusion to make." Nothing more. Full stop. The end. And, certainly not t…

Yeah sure, but the fact remains that the government does know, has known, and continues to keep secret that these really are alien craft according to dozens of respected military whistleblowers who courageously came forward to break their NDA's and tell the truth on the subject.

Have any of them been prosecuted for breaking NDA? Is it possible that they were told to "break NDA" and "come clean" to obfuscate the truth?

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Post by hilbertseries » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 3:06 AM UTC

Pyxl101 wrote: post #209

geomark wrote: post #189

I watched Joe Rogan interview Bob Lazar [1] which seemed mind blowing if everything he said was true. But then I went and researched it and seems more likely he came up with some fantastic stories to keep himself out of prison after he got caught taking a bunch of friends up to the mountains to watch some classified experiements of a particle beam device. It's not my field of study, but some opinions I read were that…

I'm pretty skeptical of Lazar. See this article for an investigative counterpoint of many of his claims: https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strang... > A last item for your consideration to assess Lazar’s veracity is his academic background. He claims Masters degrees from BOTH Caltech and MIT in subjects they don’t offer and during time periods he couldn’t have physically been at either campus. In…

The whole element 115 thing is even more damning. It’s clear that he just made something up and then when we discovered the 115 element he said it vindicated him. But the element 115 we discovered has a half life of .65 seconds.

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by duozerk » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 3:06 AM UTC

typeformer wrote: post #187

cdumler wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do. When you say this is an "unidentified aerial phenomena" or an "unidentified flying objects," that means it's unidentified. As in: we do not know what we are looking at. You don't get to say, "well, we don't know what this is; therefore, it must be aliens." You say, "We don't know what this is. Until we have more information, there is no conclusion to make." Nothing more. Full stop. The end. And, certainly not t…

Yeah sure, but the fact remains that the government does know, has known, and continues to keep secret that these really are alien craft according to dozens of respected military whistleblowers who courageously came forward to break their NDA's and tell the truth on the subject.

If the government tried to keep this secret, they did a really piss poor job of it. Anyone spending any reasonable amount of time researching on the UFO phenomenon - admittedly a painful task as it tends to attract the worse kooks, I'm talking about somewhat legitimate authors and reports here - knows that there is something real happening there.

I doubt any explanation is as simple as "aliens from somewhere else" though, and I definitely don't think the "government" knows any more about what exactly it is that we do, but I also doubt it tries to keep it a secret deliberately.

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Post by armitron » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 3:07 AM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #203

erik_landerholm wrote: post #169

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Huh? You think it’s some kind of projection? How do you explain the great, huge underwater vessel the 4 pilots saw? It was seen visually. The FLIR and radar reports were from different people on two separate training exercises and from the Princeton. The pilots claiming to have seen the large underwater craft and the tic-tac saw it visually only. The radar on their planes could not pick it up. They watched it for 5 m…

That literally screams "sensor bug". Did no one there ever see how light behaves once you start playing with mirrors? I also wonder how much software is processing is done on raw data in real-time, because some of what I read could be explained by algorithms hitting a corner case. I mean, what's more likely? A magic propulsion system ignoring known physics, or some component in the complex sensory system of the plane…

Seen visually means they saw it with their eyes. Yes there exist "sensor bugs" in human vision but multiple observers with same report suffering from "visual sensor bugs" is probabilistically absurd.

Assuming those reports are credible, which I see no immediate reason to doubt, the most plausible explanation must include technology that is far more advanced than anything we have or can imagine having today or in the next few decades.