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Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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With a functional government, regulations enable the regulators to punish people who do these things.

Since we're talking about human remains in dog food, there's already likely a litany of felonies involved in turning a person into dog food. The regulators just like to regulate.

> there's already likely a litany of felonies involved in turning a person into dog food

yes, it's a felony because of regulation, made by... regulators

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Can you go after your old counsel using your new counsel for damages?

I don’t know. If we could it wouldn’t be a good use of time or money.

Put the info in a shoebox and weight the statute of limitations. I've seen a start-up sue its lawyers and sadly that was the main way they generated revenue that quarter.

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When the government makes you waste a a day filling out paperwork to prove that your dog food doesn’t contain human remains, don’t blame the regulators. Blame the guy before you who made a buck by vertically integrating his cannery and his morgue.

I used to work in compliance and the number of regulations that are punitive punishments for bad things that actually happened is just astounding. SOX compliance is arduous but it only exists (and is as strict as it is) because some banks decided to destroy the global economy just to make a bit of money and couldn't understand why this was a bad thing.

Right sentiment; here's an editing tweak that lets you make the point more precisely:

SOX compliance is arduous but it only exists (and is as strict as it is) because some company built a $60 billion market cap in 2000 with financial-statement mischief that concealed a bankruptcy in the making.

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25 lbs of paperwork to register an online school? Sounds less about protecting students and more towards protecting incumbents and cronies.

With scams like trump university out there are we really complaining about some paperwork? If a school isn't capable of handling that paperwork, perhaps they shouldn't be school.

Is there any upper limit to the amount of paperwork you feel is appropriate to protect from 'trump university' copycats?

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Doesn't shock me one bit. I worked for General Assembly ~5 years ago, and they were really serious about getting and staying on top of all the state guidelines. I got the sense that we were the only school taking that seriously at the time. The only thing that shocks me is that we haven't seen such earlier. I don't have a strong opinion about if such things should be regulated or not, but I do know that there's a lot…

I'm not quite sure where I stand on the regulation vs. lack thereof when it comes to these types of operations either, but between working in a hiring capacity, serving as a mock-interviewer, being courted as a potential instructor, and being friends with both instructors and unsuccessful graduates (across ~5 years) from my local, now defunct code camp - there are a lot of folks who go into these programs, often goin…

If you've spent months and $20k, now "wasted", in a school environment then I have serious questions about the school's feedback and gating systems. Why wasn't this individual given unambiguous signals about their progress (i.e. insufficient)? Even hard stops because they "failed a required class" or similar?

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I’d love to see some lightweight analysis of the different regulatory burdens you’ve dealt with in each of the states you’ve registered in. How many places have you had to liaise with? How deep does it go? Just state level, or do you have to interact with Educational Service Districts etc?

I'll comment after we're done with it, don't want to complicate it while we're still in the middle of it.

I think it would be interesting to know how much you feel this process has influenced the actual curriculum and delivery methods. The last thing we need right now is a regulatory approval process creating some kind of pedagogical monoculture that doesn't allow us to explore new ways of educating folks young and old. There are certainly risks involved with deviating from the norm, but there are undoubtedly rewards waiting to be uncovered as well.

I think the main thing regulation should do is help manage how much risk the students are exposed to. They can filter out low effort scams while allowing experimental programs that can rationalize their approach a wide latitude to innovate and even fail. Based on my cursory assessment of Lambda's model, they would likely survive this type of scrutiny.

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I'm not quite sure where I stand on the regulation vs. lack thereof when it comes to these types of operations either, but between working in a hiring capacity, serving as a mock-interviewer, being courted as a potential instructor, and being friends with both instructors and unsuccessful graduates (across ~5 years) from my local, now defunct code camp - there are a lot of folks who go into these programs, often goin…

If you've spent months and $20k, now "wasted", in a school environment then I have serious questions about the school's feedback and gating systems. Why wasn't this individual given unambiguous signals about their progress (i.e. insufficient)? Even hard stops because they "failed a required class" or similar?

Oh wow, I could talk for hours about this. From what I've heard at a lot of schools, the teachers would like to "fail" people or have higher standards for entry - but management and sales (I mean, admissions) push back hard. A student leaving is money lost. A student just not doing well afterward is something that they can write off as some glitch. They'd rather have the latter. Or they want the instructors to do superhero efforts to get the student to pass.

The teachers know within a week or two who is going to have real problems with the material. The schools do not want them to put assessments in place that would have them leave, because they want money.

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>you can't charge money to teach people things [...] >Seems like a first amendment violation. The key phrase here is charging money. Commercial speech has always been more strictly regulated than other forms of speech.

"Commercial speech" refers to advertising, or more precisely, speech that "proposes a commercial transaction". It does not refer to speech that is charged for. Newspapers and books are fully protected by the First Amendment even though people pay for them.

> "Commercial speech" refers to advertising, or more precisely, speech that "proposes a commercial transaction". It does not refer to speech that is charged for.

Unfortunately, there is a received "professional speech" semi-exception to the First Amendment, explaining things like how there can be laws against charging money for legal advice (pure speech) without a state license. I assume that's what California is thinking here.

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So would private tutoring be technically illegal in CA?

If you have a physical location and don't have state approval, yes.

All private tutoring in California involves a physical presence in the state by necessity, so you can shorten this answer to "yes".
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