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I was wondering when we'd start to see the authoritarian apologists.
There are good people on both sides.
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So basically it's ok for the Police to leave an area they were pre-warned will become violent because that district is controlled by thugs and criminals who can basically do what they want? I think you have a distorted view of what the role of Police is in a society.
no, i dont mean that. i just want to highlight the complexity of the situation. police are human, do you agree? it is nor right , not professional, but after being cast as 'public enemy', after private info being disclosed, kids being bullied, families being threatened, they will have reaction. this is reality. we are not living in theories.
Police using gangs to suppress dissidents is not complicated.
It's authoritarian, deplorable, contrary to the common good of the people and in every way wretched.
With that said considering the current movement and public enablement of the PRC and Winnie the Pooh's iron fist, nothing you've said or what we have seen in Hong Kong is a surprise. Never the less, the entire situation is an incredible backwards step for common kind.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure what you're implying here - that the British will roll out illegal drugs to the Chinese market again? Look at how everyone is treating Taiwan. That should tell you enough about how nobody will be willing to compromise anything for the sake of Hong Kong.
The implication is that the west has bled China dry without the cooperation of the Chinese government before and there's no reason it won't happen again. The West doesn't necessarily need to play softball with China to get its money.
Yeah, great idea to rob the Chinese again and put the blame on themselves.
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Non-violent resistance is an option, but it requires very tough attitude. If people would just take the beating and lay down, like Gandhi-led resistance against Brits did, it could break down the violent strategy.
Gandhi was hardly the sole arbiter of Indian resistance. In fact their success in fighting colonial rule was dependent on the reality that there were people like Bhagat Singh who were willing to and did use militant tactics.
Classic good cop bad cop. In America you can have MLK’s vision or Malcolm X’s vision.
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
Non-violent resistance is an option, but it requires very tough attitude. If people would just take the beating and lay down, like Gandhi-led resistance against Brits did, it could break down the violent strategy.
May not work these days. The British were half decent and still they killed thousands of people before they left India. If the protestors continue non-violently, we'll simply see them shot with rubber bullets and carted off, or barricaded and starved out. Countries these days are willing to escalate into violence since every major country has more than enough blood on its hands and prefers tacitly looking the other w…
Brits were half decent? Hmmm thats breaking news to me knowing their history.
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Half decent? Has the GP heard of the Jallianwala Bagh massacre, or how Churchill starved 3m in Bengal?
I don't think the point was about half decent vs. a quarter decent. As evil/bad as the situation was; non-violence only helps if someone loses more than they gain by just killing you. In this case it was by losing the moral high-ground that was valued by some British people at least. Sure it probably wasn't decent people among the perpetrators, but the pearl clutchers back home.
How is this even related to the discussion?? You dont think there are some decent Chinese somewhere?
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
> No ingenuity is a match for police. You’re going to have a real hard time getting the typical American to buy into this perspective.
It is no coincidence that private gun-ownership is effectively illegal in China, while in the US it is a secured right in the constitution.
Lucky that as an American you can carry your gun to a protest, you know, just in case.
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No foreign power would ever dare to intervene with HK. Every country is simply too horny about Chinese money nowadays
Last time we got hot and bothered about Chinese money, the British crashed the entire nation via illicit drug sales. No reason something like that won't happen again.
>the British crashed the entire nation via illicit drug sales
What incident are you referring about here?
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#229A co-worker of mine just returned from visiting mainland China. She said everyone she spoke to, did not know about the protests in Hong Kong. They had no idea that something was happening there.
My friends in SH believe they are celebratory parades for something....