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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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> what happens if I microwave a full ak mag I seem to recall Mythbusters baking a loaded .44 Magnum in an oven, and that was on corporate broadcast TV. I can't speak for the average person, but if I find myself curious about the results of something obviously dangerous, I like to look up a video of someone else doing it so I can find out with no risk. I don't find myself wanting to replicate dangerous experiments onc…

>I seem to recall Mythbusters baking a loaded .44 Magnum in an oven, and that was on corporate broadcast TV. If this did happen in an episode they likely had firefighters and EMTs on hand, an entire safety crew, ballistic glass and/or a proper bunker, etc. Demolition Ranch though... he's a veterinarian that had a microwave in his field in Texas with some cinder blocks around the sides. Likely with one other person on…

You're probably right. But.. so? Mythbusters has a huge budget and paid a bunch of people to run something safely, vs. dude with a microwave--this does not change one iota what was recorded and broadcast.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Vimeo isn't clean, they banned Alex Jones for believing (edit: and yes, saying) unacceptable things.

Your definition of "free speech" includes not taking action against truly malicious and slanderous and manipulative people like Alex Jones? And there is no "who draws the line‽" argument here, Jones exists miles beyond what is ever ok.

>And there is no "who draws the line‽" argument here

That's exactly the argument, not everybody thinks Alex Jones went too far. In fact, I bet a lot of people who listen to Alex Jones would find something you supported to be miles beyond what is ever OK. That's part and parcel of living in a diverse, cosmopolitan society. Sometimes, other people's opinions are miles beyond OK, but that's still okay. ;)

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures, a group of people powerful enough, with their own interests and their own agenda with access to most peoples minds/lives, and who already publicly explained how they plan to influence on global geopolitics and society building. I find it disturbing this level of censorship. At first, it was pedophiles, murders and violent criminal a…

Agreed. Being of the Libertarian mindset, I was at first completely okay with it under the argument of personal liberty and personal property. It's a private company and they can do what they want. But the closer I looked at it the more I realized that it truly is a public space. And then when powerful political figures started influencing what was okay to censor on it I realized they are trying to do an end-run arou…

Having a lot of people in a space doesn't make it a "public space". These terms are well defined, and we should stick to them when discussing, or we'll all talk past each other.

YouTube is not even a "privately owned public space" because it isn't legally required to be open to the public.

If you believe video hosting is critical public infrastructure, nationalize it.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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I know this might not be a popular opinion. But showing people how to hack systems... that seems like an OK thing to ban. It's a crime. Teaching people how to commit a crime has always been not OK.

A lot of knowledge can be used to commit crimes. That's a lot of knowledge that should be removed from the public, even if by force.

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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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I'm afraid this comment may fall afoul of Poe's law - but I think I agree. In my elementary school, That Favorite Science Teacher made gunpowder as an in-class demonstration, as well as hydrogen balloons. Should that content be allowed on YouTube? There are plenty of college-level chemistry demonstrations which have serious safety concerns; if not in the performance, then in the safe and ethical disposal. Cody's view…

I think doing things in a safe method are fine. Channels like NileRed discuss that this is dangerous, that is dangerous, I'm properly venting and wearing a respirator, I have to do these steps so this is safe to dispose of etc. That is safe, channels like this are commendable. Channels like BackyardScientist and Cody's Lab where you are making your own nitro and whacking it with a steak knife or making weapons firing…

And how many people injure themselves doing stupid "science experiments" vs any type of sporting activity? By your logic youtube should ban anything to do with soccer, football, cheerleading, skateboarding, extreme sports. Definitely anything to do with getting cars to go faster as cars kill about 30k people a year in the US.

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sooner than later they will change their definition of morality and we all gonna pay with our freedom Just wanted to point out that I found this to be a powerful quote. Well said.

It's sooner. If you dig it's not hard to find videos of highly-placed employees of these companies talking about how they plan on manipulating future elections. It goes far beyond anything that Russia has even been accused of doing in the past three years, but it's the "right people" saying it, so it's not a scandal.

I don't put much faith in videos made by known con artists who until yesterday were up for felony charges. Not sure why some set of the internet clings to them either.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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There's a lot of bad content on the Internet, and a lot of people wanted to ban it. And the free speech absolutists said, that's a slippery slope. Once you start restricting speech beyond whatever is illegal, there will be no end to the demands to ban certain content. And a lot of us said, slippery slopes are silly arguments. All we're asking is to ban overt racism and calls to violence. We can evaluate these things…

> All we're asking is to ban overt racism and calls to violence

I agree that it's reasonable to ban "calls to violence", but the "overt racism " part is extremely subjective. Why is racism worse than hacking? I, based on my own principles, think racism is 'worse' than hacking, but most people's principles are completely different from mine, and I think a considerable part of the population thinks that hacking is morally "worse" than racism, even if they don't realize that they think that.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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One effective way to protest this would be to report videos by high-profile companies such as Microsoft, Amazon, and Google itself. Take a few minutes to look for a video about Azure or AWS or GCP, or a video of a presentation at a conference around such things, and report it as Inappropriate content citing the relevant terms of service. Be very careful only to report content that conforms to the above description —…

That's probably a great way to get your own Google account banned, and there is no way in hell I'm risking that.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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I wonder why YouTube has to be the go-to source for useful video in the first place. Seems steps like this drive important content to other, hopefully more privacy-conscious platforms. This is a bigger loss for YouTube than the security community.

> I wonder why YouTube has to be the go-to source for useful video in the first place

For the same reason Google became #1 in search: it's easier to look for something in one place than half a dozen miscellaneous places.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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I know this is just going to be an opportunity for someone to post the "first they came for the and I didn't speak out because I wasn't " copyasta, but.. I wish the only people fighting against censorship by trying to build their own platforms weren't actual white supremacists and bad-faith pseudo-intellectual charlatans. (Note, I"m only placing Peterson in the second category. He's not a white supremacist. He IS how…

I've been saying for a while that we'll get to the point where anyone fighting for Free Speech will get painted as a racist because the censors will claim "free speech is a racist idea" and it appears we're pretty close. How much of our classic liberty are we willing to lose in the pursuit of tribalism? The retort I hear when I complain about censorship is "haha you conservatives used to love the free market", not re…

I think that's unnecessarily alarmist.

Nobody is saying "Free Speech is a racist idea.

However, Free Speech OF racist ideas is a racist idea.

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