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Re: The Toyota Way

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Honda makes cars. Toyota makes appliances for people who hate driving.

Nope; both are like that now. They used to make fun cars for people who love driving. Honda held out some five to ten years longer than Toyota, that's all.

I'm curious why you say that. Seems to me that the two companies are still quite different in that regard culturally.

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In the 1960s, my father was a manufacturing engineer for BigTechFirm (this was back when BigTechFirms built actual stuff, rather than trafficking in webshit). On the shop floor, there were A, B, and C workers on a line in descending order of skill level required and roughly ascending order of available workers. It was a true assembly line model. I believe the A and B workers had more variety to their work but the C w…

You should know that Toyota went full Agile last year. Not pure Agile but Agile in the Toyota Way -- where they produce 20x the documentation that the Waterfall Method produces. I'm not commenting on whether this is a good or a bad thing because my opinion doesn't matter but it enabled everyone to try something new. If the upper management in charge of tech had any free time, they'd might benefit from reading The Myt…

Cutting-edge tech stuff isn't really Toyota's thing - they excel at quality, reliability, and lifetime value, and thus have an incentive to delay new tech until they can perfect it.

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There is a long history of American automakers and their cohorts in the media and elsewhere who use these scandals to scare buyers away from Japanese makes. See what they did to Suzuki with the Jimny in the eighties for the most egregious example. I watched this “scandal” closely at the time, and it smelled like a rat all along. Fortunately, these tactics are ineffective, but there will always be anecdotal persistenc…

Putting aside other aspects of your bias, it's ironic that you insinuate that a "slander" happened, because the opposite effect occurred (as described by slide 9 in my second link). The US Transportation Secretary claimed that Toyota was exonerated, even though the report given by NASA did not support that claim.

The “slander” (not a legally accurate use of the term) referred to the media campaign, which was effective around 2010-12 and has lingering effects, as seen here.

Re: The Toyota Way

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In the 1960s, my father was a manufacturing engineer for BigTechFirm (this was back when BigTechFirms built actual stuff, rather than trafficking in webshit). On the shop floor, there were A, B, and C workers on a line in descending order of skill level required and roughly ascending order of available workers. It was a true assembly line model. I believe the A and B workers had more variety to their work but the C w…

What is webshit? It seems like you are trying to say that you don’t think web developers build anything worthwhile, but I’m hoping there’s a less insulting interpretation of your comment?

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Re: The Toyota Way

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post #154

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Honda makes cars. Toyota makes appliances for people who hate driving.

The Supra would like to disagree with you.

Actually, I agree with you. The Supra seems to be an exception to the rule with regard to Toyota culture. It's fascinating and I'd like to test drive one.

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Putting aside other aspects of your bias, it's ironic that you insinuate that a "slander" happened, because the opposite effect occurred (as described by slide 9 in my second link). The US Transportation Secretary claimed that Toyota was exonerated, even though the report given by NASA did not support that claim.

The “slander” (not a legally accurate use of the term) referred to the media campaign, which was effective around 2010-12 and has lingering effects, as seen here.

You're trying to dismiss a series of technical reports on Toyota's software engineering defects - reports that directly acknowledge that it's impossible to prove causality beyond reasonable doubt because of the software engineering defects - on the basis of their similarity to an unrelated report from 1989, and because you "smell a rat".

Re: The Toyota Way

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Those interested might also find these worth reading: Deming and Software Development https://management.curiouscatblog.net/2014/03/17/deming-and-software-development/ What’s Deming Got to Do With Agile Software Development and Kanban https://blog.deming.org/2013/07/whats-deming-got-to-do-with-agile-software-development-and-kanban/

Please just put links on a normal line of text — code formatting prevents them from being rendered as clickable links. It also makes them harder to read on mobile.
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