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Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by frenchy »

vntok wrote: post #167
dontbenebby wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the same way. I tried Chrome when it was new but at the time it didn't have a NoScript equivalent so I went back to FF.

Chrome has had NoScript equivalents for a while, you should try it again!

I suspect for most people who hadn't switched already, that ship has already sailed.

Chrome had something of an edge over Firefox for a while with a more responsive UI, but since Firefox Quantum it hasn't really had anything besides some creepy Google integrations.

Edit: Chromium is also easier to embed, but that doesn't really matter for the purposes of chosing a browser.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by deviantfero »

floatboth wrote: post #205
ctvo wrote: post #8

These constant pleas to get me to use Firefox for some other motivation than features and performance won't work. I'll switch back in a day. - Battery life on both iOS and macOS is poor compared to alternative (Safari) - Dev tooling is poor compared to alternative (Chromium)

> Dev tooling is poor compared to alternative Really? Other than the websocket thing everyone keeps bringing up, I find Firefox devtools ahead of everything else. Especially for CSS layout.

I need a websocket inspector, what do you suggest?

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by mgkimsal »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #161
mgkimsal wrote: post #43

I do give it a chance, regularly, but it's never enough to be 'default'. Pins. Loved the idea. Unfortunately, they often go missing. Loading the browser, about 15% of the time, I get the "oh this is embarrassing" screen, with "restore your session". If I don't restore right then, all pins are gone. For good. Forever. I've lost way too much time recreating those over the last couple of years. Have never had this happe…

The “restore your session” shouldn't be regularly appearing when you start the browser and indicates it's crashing on shutdown or otherwise failing to save state. That is a bug.

this has happened to me fairly regularly, for years, on multiple different pieces of hardware/cpu/drives, under different user profiles, ISPs, and operating systems. 15% may have been a high estimate - probably under 8-10% of the time starting up. But it's enough to mean I just can't trust it as much as I can trust other platforms.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by mgkimsal »

WaltPurvis wrote: post #215
mgkimsal wrote: post #43

I do give it a chance, regularly, but it's never enough to be 'default'. Pins. Loved the idea. Unfortunately, they often go missing. Loading the browser, about 15% of the time, I get the "oh this is embarrassing" screen, with "restore your session". If I don't restore right then, all pins are gone. For good. Forever. I've lost way too much time recreating those over the last couple of years. Have never had this happe…

In Chrome, a pinned tab will close when you hit Cmd-W, which is never what I want to happen. E.g., I have Gmail pinned, I open several more tabs, then at some point type Cmd-W several times to close those tabs, but if I type one extra Cmd-W my Gmail tab goes away ( and the window closes). Again, I never want pinned tabs to be closed that way. The whole idea of pinning something is to make sure it stays in place. That…

Yep. Agreed, annoying. Perhaps they'll offer some preventing of this at some point? I've noticed the "ctrl-q" quit thing recently got a "long hold" default option - which I now despise as its defaulted 'on'. :/

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by tssva »

UglyToad wrote: post #209
tssva wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Chrome behaviour regarding ad-blocking caused you to make the switch? Installing an ad-blocker with Chrome is just as easy as installing one with FF.

I believe they've u-turned on it now but I was thinking of this https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2019/... (from Google AMP because I'm on mobile and haven't made the switch on mobile yet) As I say I'm not particularly concerned personally about not being able to use ad-blocking but it points to an abuse of monopoly power.

It points to news sources trying to get clicks using inflammatory headlines. Google has never blocked ad-blockers or announced that they were going to. They announced API changes which will require ad-blockers to change the manner in which they are implemented. What they recently announced is an increase in the number of blocking rules allowed under the new api which some want to call a u-turn by Google. Except Google announced earlier that the preliminary limits were likely to be increased later after performance testing, so what Google has actually recently announced is just in line with their earlier announcement. Of course that take on it doesn't follow the pitchfork mentality on HN regarding Google nor make for clickbait headlines.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by mevile »

iamdamian wrote: post #87

I want to move on from Chrome, and Firefox's Containers have made Firefox an easy decision for me. But I am a huge fan of Chrome's aesthetic and don't want to give that up for the sake of privacy. I am not one to do extensive tweaking to my machine, but this is important to me, so I spent an hour experimenting. And I have to say, I am pretty satisfied. Even though it isn't straightforward, Firefox actually can look n…

I tried your changes. Your userChrome.css breaks containers though, as it hides the container color from the tabs. Your changes also breaks all the privacy controls you can get from Firefox on a per site basis. I think if someone tried your css and chose very strict privacy options they're not going to have any way to see that privacy control options may have broken a page. Those things in the address bar are vital.

I highly recommend people to not use this css unless they feel comfortable editing it to unbreak things and don't want any of the per site options. This UI change reduces the usability of Firefox to the point I would consider it broken.

If you don't like the container colors in the tabs, you can edit them to be colors you prefer.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by Consultant32452 »

mevile wrote: post #219
bredren wrote: post #192

I've tried twice to switch back to Firefox since this chrome add-on code change issue, including setting it my default browser. I had it beach ball on me a few times and crash twice in just 8 days. Chrome almost never beach balls, and very very rarely crashes. I painfully gave up on firefox again for now. Its gotta be stable and fast and it just wasn't for me.

Curious, I haven't had this experience. Firefox has been very stable and fast for me. I'm on an older Macbook Pro (mid 2015).

You probably saw this already, but your MbP might be in a recent recall.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/21/apple-issues-recall-faulty-ma...

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by [deleted] »

mevile wrote: post #227
iamdamian wrote: post #87

I want to move on from Chrome, and Firefox's Containers have made Firefox an easy decision for me. But I am a huge fan of Chrome's aesthetic and don't want to give that up for the sake of privacy. I am not one to do extensive tweaking to my machine, but this is important to me, so I spent an hour experimenting. And I have to say, I am pretty satisfied. Even though it isn't straightforward, Firefox actually can look n…

I tried your changes. Your userChrome.css breaks containers though, as it hides the container color from the tabs. Your changes also breaks all the privacy controls you can get from Firefox on a per site basis. I think if someone tried your css and chose very strict privacy options they're not going to have any way to see that privacy control options may have broken a page. Those things in the address bar are vital.…

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