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Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

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From the white paper: > "Libra’s mission is to enable a simple global currency and financial infrastructure that empowers billions of people." They do this by issuing coins in exchange for fiat money, which is held by the reserve. > "Interest on the reserve assets will be used to cover the costs of the system, ensure low transaction fees, pay dividends to investors who provided capital to jumpstart the ecosystem [...…

And just to be clear, there will be transaction fees for using the platform.

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

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It’s going to be interesting. “Unlike previous stablecoins, Libra will not be issued by a central party. Instead, Facebook has enlisted 27 fellow Silicon Valley titans—among them PayPal, Visa, Spotify, Mastercard, Uber, and eBay—to operate as preliminary “validator nodes” who will each share a transparent copy of a vast ledger of transactions reflecting all the activity on the network.” That sounds amazingly dystopia…

> That sounds amazingly dystopian. I mean, that’s literally a money built on an oligarchy. By design. IMO, it's a small step towards a better direction. The "validator" consensus (oligarchy) is a much more transparent/inclusive solution compared to the closed financial ecosystems of Wechat/Alipay/Paytm/Grab. If Libra is an oligarchy, closed financial systems are dictatorships

could you expand on why you see an aggregator like Paytm a closed financial ecosystem?

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

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Their next efforts will probably be lobby like crazy to ban any other coin that is not "Approved".

It’s funny how one of the core believes of cryptocurrencies has always been that (a) government will fear and attempt to ban it, and (b) that the technology would make such attempts impossible. Yet what we have seen over the years is really more of a bemused interest from existing institutions, with targeted and rather effective interventions only where actual harm was done, such as ICOs. It’s almost as if these cons…

It's almost as if they don't yet see cryptocurrencies as a threat.

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cryptocoins are not about privacy, the ledgers are public so no conflict there.

There are cryptocoins like zcash where the ledger isn't open in the same sense it is on Bitcoin or Libra.

No, the ledger is open. It's just that the transaction data is encrypted so only the recipient can decrypt it, and accompanied by a zero-knowledge proof so the money supply retains its integrity even with the encryption in place.

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

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post #195

From the white paper: > "Libra’s mission is to enable a simple global currency and financial infrastructure that empowers billions of people." They do this by issuing coins in exchange for fiat money, which is held by the reserve. > "Interest on the reserve assets will be used to cover the costs of the system, ensure low transaction fees, pay dividends to investors who provided capital to jumpstart the ecosystem [...…

> Conceptually this is a bank, but with no interest returned to users, no financial oversight from governments, controlled by Silicon Valley's top companies.

I disagree that this is "conceptually" a bank. Facebook's business model isn't lending out the reserves. If it was, banking regulation would apply.

Also, in a modern bank, reserves are maybe 10%, and you get less than zero percent interest after inflation for that risk exposure.

We've all seen in the past on how well "financial oversight" worked. At this point, I think I'd honestly rather put my money with Facebook than many of those actual banks out there. Facebook is at least a profitable company in its own right.

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

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post #68

If they succeed in getting mass adoption for this thing, I feel like the companies on-board have basically bootstrapped themselves to sovereignty. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out, if nothing else!

I'm sure the IRS and/or FTC will like to have a word with them about that.

I'm no expert in US law at all, but my impression as an outsider is that anything that could look like money laundering or a way to hide financial transactions will not be looked kindly upon, and that slapping the "crypto" moniker on this new currency won't make much difference.

Re: Facebook reveals its cryptocurrency Libra

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It’s going to be interesting. “Unlike previous stablecoins, Libra will not be issued by a central party. Instead, Facebook has enlisted 27 fellow Silicon Valley titans—among them PayPal, Visa, Spotify, Mastercard, Uber, and eBay—to operate as preliminary “validator nodes” who will each share a transparent copy of a vast ledger of transactions reflecting all the activity on the network.” That sounds amazingly dystopia…

> That sounds amazingly dystopian. I mean, that’s literally a money built on an oligarchy. By design.

What's actually far more dystopian is the power that Visa, Mastercard and Paypal already have. It's not getting worse with this new thing, it's getting better.

Nobody has to use Libra, but getting by without access to Visa/Mastercard/Paypal is a real problem for businesses.

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