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Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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China already has an (uncompetitive) alternative stack, covering silicon to operating system. The problem is with building a competitive stack, Huawei can't get access to a 7nm fab in China, nor is their talent skilled in working with the limitations of said newer process, which kneecaps their ability to build chips competitive with Qualcomm and Apple. Huawei can build 7nm chips at TSMC, but due to their ARM license…

> VThe problem is with building a competitive stack, Huawei can't get access to a 7nm fab in China yet > Huawei can build 7nm chips at TSMC, but due to their ARM l ARM -> RISC, as ARM is not the only game in town. For example, at the moment I am having a lot of fun with a Unielec u7621 board (2 mini PCIe, mSata and USB3 with hardware accelerated NAT to handle 1Gbps) that costed me about $45 : https://openwrt.org/toh/…

This is a pretty weak rebuttal, the MT7621 based board you cite has two MIPS 24k CPUs, straight out of 2005: https://wikidevi.com/wiki/MIPS_24K

All of the MT7621"s speed is from ASICs that accelerate NAT & WPA2, without that silicon external to the CPU, any kind of crypto would slowly chug along.

More competitive offerings like the OrangePi PC Plus ($19) and FriendlyARM boards based on Allwinner chips offer much nore performance for the dollar, but these are literally foriegn IP blocks Allwinner licensed, glued together and sent off to a 45n or 28nm fab to have manufactured. Most of the work Allwinner did for these chips was on a trashcan ready, buggy board support package.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Huawei has no 7nm fab available that will turn a blind eye to pirate ARM chips (since their ARM license was revoked), and it is unlikely any new 7nm fabs will be built in China soon. See my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20077587

Wouldn't one of those joint-ownership project things where one company within China owns 51% of the project work out? It would have to be not Huawei , but would that work?

AMD did something very similar as a way to bypass tariffs in China (license their 1st gen 14nm Ryzen IP to a JV), but they've brought a ton of scrutiny to this loophole from both the USA & China, plus this trick won't work for Ryzen 2 since no 7nm fabs exist in China (and none are on the horizon).

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Huawei hasn't updated OpenSSL in their cellular basestation firmware, despite promises to do so in 2012 & 2018: https://hmgstrategy.com/resource-center/articles/2019/04/04/... These really basic maintenance tasks aren't happening, leaving cell networks vulnerable to anyone who can be bothered to look up a CVE and run the provided demo exploit code. Hard to maintain a network you can't secure :c

I think there's a misplaced assumption here, that you should trust a network to keep your traffic safe. it's reasonable to think that regardless of their SSL implementation, you should assume that the network owner is going to try and spy on your traffic and sell it to the highest bidder

The cellular network being totally insecure is much worse than passive surveillance. Calls and texts can be rerouted and altered in transit, and mobile identities (eg: your SIM) can be impersonated on a whim.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Since the early 80s we've been citizens, not subjects. You can thank Thatcher for that.

Most of us have. Confusingly, there are 6 different types of British nationality, and there are still some British subjects around. https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality

Today I learned my late grandparents could have applied for British Subjection!

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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I get the play on words, but what does "self-own" mean?

It's probably best interpreted as an American idiom for what the rest of the world would call an "own goal." As in, you kick the football into your own team's goal, resulting in a score for the other team with no effort needed on their part.

This is not an idiom I’ve ever heard in the US.

But I agree, seems likely parent meant own-goal.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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post #205

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What IP did Huawei steal, specifically? Can you name it without googling? Scouts honor. It's not cool to accuse people of being Chinese shills, especially people with semi-obscure Greek names that they're very much in character of.

Afaik, without googling, they stole Cisco Ip which is even relevant here.

And this is precisely my point. Huawei was accused in the early 2000s of stealing Cisco IP. They settled the issue quietly back then.

Now, almost two decades later, after Huawei has spent billions in R&D and appears to be the market leader in 5G, all these old claims resurface, and the US government is quite openly trying to drive them out of business. Of course, by sheer coincidence, this happens while Trump is waging a trade war against China.

And for the record, Diogenes couldn't be a shill for anyone. Diogenes is happy living in his barrel in the market, do he clearly isn't motivated by money.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Afaik, without googling, they stole Cisco Ip which is even relevant here.

And this is precisely my point. Huawei was accused in the early 2000s of stealing Cisco IP. They settled the issue quietly back then. Now, almost two decades later, after Huawei has spent billions in R&D and appears to be the market leader in 5G, all these old claims resurface, and the US government is quite openly trying to drive them out of business. Of course, by sheer coincidence, this happens while Trump is wagi…

It's like people don't even know what cosmopolitanism means anymore ;)

I googled that Cisco case as well. One of their big claims was a copypasted impl of... strcmp.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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> VThe problem is with building a competitive stack, Huawei can't get access to a 7nm fab in China yet > Huawei can build 7nm chips at TSMC, but due to their ARM l ARM -> RISC, as ARM is not the only game in town. For example, at the moment I am having a lot of fun with a Unielec u7621 board (2 mini PCIe, mSata and USB3 with hardware accelerated NAT to handle 1Gbps) that costed me about $45 : https://openwrt.org/toh/…

This is a pretty weak rebuttal, the MT7621 based board you cite has two MIPS 24k CPUs, straight out of 2005: https://wikidevi.com/wiki/MIPS_24K All of the MT7621"s speed is from ASICs that accelerate NAT & WPA2, without that silicon external to the CPU, any kind of crypto would slowly chug along. More competitive offerings like the OrangePi PC Plus ($19) and FriendlyARM boards based on Allwinner chips offer much nore…

> the MT7621 based board you cite has two MIPS 24k CPUs, straight out of 2005

Yes, I'm having a lot offun with a 14 year old CPU, so I want to see a modern one, if possible with free software GPU support like for the Mali

> without that silicon external to the CPU, any kind of crypto would slowly chug along

Which is exactly why I want to see MIPS64 that can do all that without hardware acceleration - and much more with it.

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Has had a revolving door arrangement with the White House. Was fingered in PRISM. Was involved in the US Digital Services and 18F. Closely worked with the government to lower its repatriation tax burdens. And if these specifics don't satisfy you, we all know that the Department of Defense was heavily involved with Silicon Valley since day 1. I'll wiggle my eyebrows vaguely, but suggestively at this fact, and let the…

I was unable to find references for any of your claims. What kind of "revolving door arrangement"? I looked at all of Apple's top management, and none of them are ex government with the arguable exception of their general counsel who was formerly a judge. As far as I'm aware there's no hard evidence of willing participation in PRISM. Apple denies it - the only link of any kind is a yellow bubble on that famous powerp…

Obama revolving door: Apple's top lobbyist to State department. Catherine Ann Novelli spent 8 years as VP of world-wide government affairs at Apple, and then three as Under-Secretary for Economic Growth, Energy, and the Environment.[1]

Apple-NSA collaboration with PRISM. [2]

USDS & 18F involvement: [3][4]

Secret collaboration on tax burden reduction. (It's a longer word for 'lobbying'. If you think it's not secret, please share with me the minutes from those meetings. If you think it's not collaborative, why do these meetings always result in tax burden reductions for the lobbyists?) [5][6]

2 million dollars in direct campaign contributions, in 2018. It seems that to do business, you need to grease a few palms, eh? [7]

You cannot operate a multi-billion dollar company in the US, and not have close ties with the US government.

Not to mention the large number of congressmen, senators, and government advisers who, among their tens and hundreds of millions of dollars, have large financial stakes in Apple.

[1] https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-revolving-door-appl...

[2] https://techcrunch.com/2013/06/17/apple-nsa/

[3] https://www.fedscoop.com/civic-leave-white-house-technology-...

[4] https://18f.gsa.gov/2015/03/20/one-year-in-and-looking-forwa...

[5] https://www.macobserver.com/news/in-2018-apple-spent-6-6-mil...

[6] https://www.fastcompany.com/40502636/big-techs-lobbying-splu...

[7] https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000021754

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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This is a pretty weak rebuttal, the MT7621 based board you cite has two MIPS 24k CPUs, straight out of 2005: https://wikidevi.com/wiki/MIPS_24K All of the MT7621"s speed is from ASICs that accelerate NAT & WPA2, without that silicon external to the CPU, any kind of crypto would slowly chug along. More competitive offerings like the OrangePi PC Plus ($19) and FriendlyARM boards based on Allwinner chips offer much nore…

> the MT7621 based board you cite has two MIPS 24k CPUs, straight out of 2005 Yes, I'm having a lot offun with a 14 year old CPU, so I want to see a modern one, if possible with free software GPU support like for the Mali > without that silicon external to the CPU, any kind of crypto would slowly chug along Which is exactly why I want to see MIPS64 that can do all that without hardware acceleration - and much more wi…

> I want to see a modern one, if possible with free software GPU support like for the Mali

The Mali drivers that were just mainlined last month aren't necessarily feature complete like Intel, Via or AMD GPU drivers. Mali is licensed from ARM, which would be a showstopper for US embargoed companies.

> Which is exactly why I want to see MIPS64 that can do all that without hardware acceleration - and much more with it.

If MIPS64 were competitive on price, we would have a plethora of tablets & boards based on it. Currently, dated Mips 24k cores are a $0.10 afterthought that is used to boot and initialize the dedicated ASICs. We've started seeing ARM cores eat the router market though, they're likely delivering more performance for that $0.10.

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