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People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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Re: People Who Claim to Work 75-Hour Weeks Usually Only Work About 50 Hours

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Post by stjohnswarts »

haolez wrote: post #22
osrec wrote: post #14

Investment bankers will often claim this, while also lying about their salary. I was often surprised by my colleagues claiming extra long work weeks, all while looking remarkable fresh. I couldn't work it out - I mean, if I worked a solid 14 hour day, you could see it clearly on my face, yet if they do it, they seem to develop a healthy glow. Turns out a lot of them were in the building, but not at their desk. Oftent…

On the other side, I know some investment bankers and they work more than 60 hours per week. They look unhealthy to me :)

I've had lawyer friends like this. Doing law research can drain the soul after about 40 hours a week.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

rogerkirkness wrote: post #2

Actually working more than ~55 hours in a week is soul crushing and physically very hard. At a certain point you would need an escalation of stimulants or risk not being able to get out of bed if you actually worked 75 hours.

40 hours is enough for me.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

S_A_P wrote: post #5

I’m currently working legit 65-70 hours per week. We have a hard stop that costs millions if we miss. It basically means 6am-6pm Monday through Saturday. I’m not as productive as when I work less but there is a net win in productivity. I don’t think I can do this for much more than a few months. I can already tell it has markedly harmed my health. Being stressed for months at a time is hard.

It will fuck up your health. Also it will set the precedent that you are okay with working crazy hours for months on end for no additional benefit to yourself. I did it, it took me a couple years to lose the extra weight I gained. Just don't do it, your health ain't worth it.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

S_A_P wrote: post #57
drugme wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough -- I genuinely hope the odds work out for you, then.

To be clear- what I said leaves broad room for interpretation. I am by no means at deaths door. What I meant is a few things have happened for this sprint. 1) my stress level is higher 2) focus is harder 3) easier to make poor food choices 4) fatigue sets in towards the end of the week That said Ive made adjustments that have helped 1) plan out the week of food on sunday and prepare as much as possible 2) forced exce…

If you're going to do it, then please take an evening off to cook good food for yourself during the week and get at least 7 hours of sleep a night.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

bitL wrote: post #99
munk-a wrote: post #98

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Why do you want to work 75+ hours? What are you working for - what value are you receiving from life? These are serious questions, I've worked crazy overtime (defined by me as anything over 50 hours a week) and never want to return to it, consistently doing 10 hour days is draining and significantly lowered my productivity, it was just bad times all around.

I managed to work like that for ~9 months; when you work on some bleeding edge stuff like inventing some new Deep Learning method you can actually have fun and be eager to keep doing it. If it's just usual treadmill caused by silly decisions from the top and inability to push back to customer, then it's hell.

that type of work is < 0.1% for most of the use cases we're talking about here. Generally it's just a huge corp abusing their employees.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

wnissen wrote: post #59
epicureanideal wrote: post #17

How many hours are people who say they work 40 working?

That was the most interesting part of the Mother Jones article to me. If you compare people who average 43 hours a week (but claim they are averaging 50), the folks who think they are working 70 should be working about 20 hours more a week. But it's only 12. Pretty amazing. https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/most-of-us-do...

But on average they died within 5 years because of stress/cardio incidends and mcdonald's cheese burger being their primary source of sustenance. So over a 10 year span the normies were 50% more productive.

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Post by bitL »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #225
bitL wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I managed to work like that for ~9 months; when you work on some bleeding edge stuff like inventing some new Deep Learning method you can actually have fun and be eager to keep doing it. If it's just usual treadmill caused by silly decisions from the top and inability to push back to customer, then it's hell.

that type of work is < 0.1% for most of the use cases we're talking about here. Generally it's just a huge corp abusing their employees.

Sure. I summarized rules that helped me when I needed to do that. Somebody might find that useful (e.g. while starting their own business or going through exponential growth).

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Post by hycaria »

munk-a wrote: post #217
hycaria wrote: post #202

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I have 2 jobs (say 55h away from home, but one being on duty even though on location, i get to sleep a bit) yet I still wish I could have more work or work more. For various reasons : * if you have to work that much then you probably are doing something important, or your opinion is needed on various things. Either way you feel important and valued (even if it's complete bullshit in the end) * keeps you from boredom.…

Uh, volunteer, find a hobby? A lot of these reasons are personal and fine but... > hopefully pay follows. And the experience is always valuable for later employment. I hope it doesn't, because if pay follows your self-destructive habit then other people will be forced into it if they want to receive similar compensation and it becomes a race to the bottom for our time. I value my personal leisure time, I need quiet b…

I have a hobby, I own a horse which takes 3 hours daily and is a very powerful stress relief. I’m not overly sensitive to stress in a professional setup anyways. That’s also why I think I have a decent profile for such niche requirements.

But it’s not enough yet especially on weekends, since my jobs do not follow me out of their walls, neither in thoughts nor in their missions.

No interest in volunteering. Not because of money but I’d rather learn something and/or enjoy myself, and selflessness or social missions help neither for me.

It doesn’t have to be the norm, but it can still be an advantage for the ones endowing it.

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Post by haihaibye »

awesomepeter wrote: post #210
haihaibye wrote: post #206

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> that with every new person born, that is a new person thinking of scientific advancements that can be made Smarts for scienfic advancement is not evenly spread across global populations. It's possible to have population growth while the high IQ fraction shrinks. All evidence says this is the current state of the earth.

What evidence? Afaik average IQ is constantly rising: https://ourworldindata.org/intelligence#iq-gains-over-time-a...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox

Each group is improving but mix of groups is changing.

High IQ populations have low fertility vs low IQ groups having high. South Korea with IQ 106 has TRF of 1.17. Nigeria IQ 84 has TRF of 5.53.

A gain of IQs within groups will be dwarfed by the change between groups.

If you think IQ tests are bogus we can use other metrics, eg Europe had 2x the population of Sub Saharan Africa in 1950, now Africa is bigger but has produced no hard science Nobel prizes and no new technology (like South Korea's smartphones)

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Post by seppin »

drilldrive wrote: post #192
balfirevic wrote: post #156

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> Interesting, in Europe the hours are less but you are expected to work every minute you are there. No, you're not. Also, Europe is large and diverse. Source: European.

Most people unfortunately refer to Europe when they mean north-west Europe or even the Nordic countries alone.

Yes sorry I was being sloppy with language, I was describing northern/Germanic Europe. Southern Europe has their own rules
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