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Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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Post by omegaworks » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 7:12 PM UTC

lamarpye wrote: post #220

omegaworks wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hold to account whoever has power now. I don't play the "whataboutism" game, because it is unwinnable. There was always someone in the past that has done worse. What matters is progress.

No, you are not. You are blaming Trump for a policy that was started when Obama was President. This isn't a "whataboutism" situation. When called on it, you tried to blame Republican Senators, even though they were in the minority when this policy was started.

I'm blaming Trump for continuing and amplifying the policy's negative effects. Hundreds of families have been separated by border enforcement without any records[1]. Children are being taken from their mothers and fathers and forcibly adopted via agencies run by white evangelical churches[2]. You're trying to deflect from the actual, unprecedented harm being caused now to people on the border by pointing at history.

Even the fact underlying your basic premise is wrong: Republicans had the majority in both houses of congress in January 3, 2015[3], gaining the Senate after having held the House since January 3, 2011. They continued to hold both in majority until the past midterm elections seated a Democratic house majority this January.

1. https://www.vox.com/2019/2/21/18234767/parents-separated-chi...

2. https://newrepublic.com/article/149161/uncertain-fate-migran...

3. https://ballotpedia.org/114th_United_States_Congress

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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Post by lamarpye » Tue, Apr 09, 2019, 11:40 PM UTC

omegaworks wrote: post #221

lamarpye wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you are not. You are blaming Trump for a policy that was started when Obama was President. This isn't a "whataboutism" situation. When called on it, you tried to blame Republican Senators, even though they were in the minority when this policy was started.

I'm blaming Trump for continuing and amplifying the policy's negative effects. Hundreds of families have been separated by border enforcement without any records[1]. Children are being taken from their mothers and fathers and forcibly adopted via agencies run by white evangelical churches[2]. You're trying to deflect from the actual, unprecedented harm being caused now to people on the border by pointing at history.…

You are correct, the Republicans were in charge of the Senate in 2015 when this policy was in effect. I acknowledge my mistake.

This is something that you are unwilling to do. This post is on a particular policy started during the Obama administration. You blamed it on Trump. When called on it, you change the subject and accuse me of deflection.

>It's amazing the mental acrobatics that people go >through to try to find an after-the-fact justification >for targeted racist policy.

So if I understand your mindset correctly, blaming Trump is your way of creating an after-the-justification for Obama's targeted racist policy.

For the record, I don't find your mental acrobatics amazing, just lazy. It seems like it all flows from "Orange Man Bad".

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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Post by omegaworks » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 1:03 AM UTC

lamarpye wrote: post #222

omegaworks wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm blaming Trump for continuing and amplifying the policy's negative effects. Hundreds of families have been separated by border enforcement without any records[1]. Children are being taken from their mothers and fathers and forcibly adopted via agencies run by white evangelical churches[2]. You're trying to deflect from the actual, unprecedented harm being caused now to people on the border by pointing at history.…

You are correct, the Republicans were in charge of the Senate in 2015 when this policy was in effect. I acknowledge my mistake. This is something that you are unwilling to do. This post is on a particular policy started during the Obama administration. You blamed it on Trump. When called on it, you change the subject and accuse me of deflection. >It's amazing the mental acrobatics that people go >through to try to fi…

You're trying to get me to say Obama was bad? Yeah, he was. Locking up the unaccompanied Central American kids and incentivizing Mexico to deter migration behind the scenes while putting on a sympathetic face was bad.

That doesn't change the fact that "Orange Man" is in charge now, and is exacerbating the bad policy, AND is encouraging people to hate on top of it. His people are ripping kids out of their parent’s arms. He’s rallying white supremacists, calling entire ethnicities rapists and entire countries shitholes.

You’re looking for excuses to pin the pinheaded totalitarian’s decisions on someone else. It’s always someone else’s fault in MAGAland.

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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Post by lamarpye » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 7:10 AM UTC

omegaworks wrote: post #223

lamarpye wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct, the Republicans were in charge of the Senate in 2015 when this policy was in effect. I acknowledge my mistake. This is something that you are unwilling to do. This post is on a particular policy started during the Obama administration. You blamed it on Trump. When called on it, you change the subject and accuse me of deflection. >It's amazing the mental acrobatics that people go >through to try to fi…

You're trying to get me to say Obama was bad? Yeah, he was. Locking up the unaccompanied Central American kids and incentivizing Mexico to deter migration behind the scenes while putting on a sympathetic face was bad. That doesn't change the fact that "Orange Man" is in charge now, and is exacerbating the bad policy, AND is encouraging people to hate on top of it. His people are ripping kids out of their parent’s arm…

I keep looking for excuses?

Let's recap:

I blamed the Motel 6 policy on the local ICE satrap. No you said, that is amazing mental acrobatics, it is Orange Man's fault. I point out the policy started out under Obama. You change the subject to the Border and accuse me of trying to pin Obama's policy on Obama. I never mentioned the Border, that was you changing the subject.

Wouldn't it been easier to just admit you didn't read the article carefully and you didn't notice the dates?

Maybe in your land admitting a mistake isn't allowed, perhaps there is this fear that it diminishes the Badness of Orange Man.