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School is all about signaling, not skill-building

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Re: School is all about signaling, not skill-building

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> The essential question is "why do we think that every skilled job requires a four-year college degree?". That’s not accurate. Law school requires any degree followed by three years of a law degree. Now that’s pure signalling. Every other Anglophone country bar Canada has undergraduate law degrees instead of requiring what amount to two undergraduate degrees.

Isn't a law degree in the US considered a doctorate rather than a bachelors? Medical degrees in the US are similar in that you complete an undergraduate degree before you can get into medical school and get a MD or DO. Some countries have the MBBS degree which is a bachelor level degree that can be started right after the equivalent of high school.

> Isn't a law degree in the US considered a doctorate rather than a bachelors?

A three year degree with plentiful coursework and no research component is not exactly a central example of a doctorate. M.D.s, D.D.S.s and J.D.s are called professional doctorates in the US and a second-entry bachelor’s degree in Canada.

> Medical degrees in the US are similar in that you complete an undergraduate degree before you can get into medical school and get a MD or DO. Some countries have the MBBS degree which is a bachelor level degree that can be started right after the equivalent of high school.

Some countries are everywhere apart from the US, Canada and former US colonies like the Philippines. Undergraduate medical education is the norm everywhere though postgraduate programmes are extending across the globe.

Re: School is all about signaling, not skill-building

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Weirdly, when I was leaving for college, I was warned that spending any time at a big school like UT Austin would end up making me a deviant. There was talk about someone's cousin who came back from Austin wearing leather and with a nose ring. Lesbianism was a possibility. Certainly, nobody thought college was for those who conform to social expectations. Not at all sure if I came out deviant or just crazy.

Social expectations vary by social class. The low education religious people you describe are a different social class from educated business and technical professionals

"Social expectations vary by social class. The low education religious people you describe are a different social class from educated business and technical professionals"

Technically, I can't argue with the "religious" description, since I attended the one cousin's ordination as a Catholic priest a couple of years ago, but prior to that he was a Navy submarine nuke and an NRC inspector. His brother is an engineer with the USACE. And their father was an engineer. And I've known countless "business and technical professionals" less educated than their mother, a Latin teacher.

You may want to consider leaving your bigotry at home.

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