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The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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Never thought I'd hear an aversion to being punched described as pathological.

Indeed -- taking into account the recent revelations about CTE and related issues, Mayweather's "I believe in taking as little punishment as is possible" approach seems to me well-considered.

Who'd have thought that being repeatedly punched in the head would have negative long-term health implications?

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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The greatest challenge to overcome is disbelief that you can do something. Heroes have a place, precisely because they inspire. I get what you're saying, but in any system having an aspirational role model is a benefit!

> I get what you're saying, but in any system having an aspirational role model is a benefit! I will say there is a benefit but whether it's a net benefit is not always true as we can't ignore the downsides. For example, if everyone believes that you can just work hard and succeed, then they may choose to ignore the great disadvantages certain people have. Indeed this isn't just a philosophical issue as this is the r…

Granted it's a dual edged sword.

The issue I had, and why I originally commented, is it seemed people were being intellectually dishonest in denying any benefits of aspirational heroes, because they felt doing so would lend approval to an unjust system.

Which seemed... incomplete and unfair. Both to the heroes (Chan deserves better than to have some New Republic writer denying Chan's opinion of his own life's work) and to the people whose life might be changed by having a hero.

In reality, we can work towards both greater equality of opportunity AND highlight aspirational heroes.

I don't want to ascribe motivation, but I wonder how many people casting stones have ever been so down and out that they can't even imagine any success in their lives. Because I feel that's the reality for a lot of people in truly bad situations. And when you've given up trying to improve your life...?

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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At some point I was introduced to "Find The Hard Work You're Willing To Do" - http://www.cs.uni.edu/%7Ewallingf/blog/archives/monthly/2018... I think this is an important bit that a lot of people getting into programming don't realize. Many enjoy the "playing with computers" aspect. Some even enjoy writing new code. But the real test is do you enjoy fixing broken code? The article ends with: > Maybe this is what peop…

I didn't realize anyone likes fixing broken code, debugging, or - from reading HN - what seems like what most professional programmers spend most of their time doing, inheriting a huge broken mess of old software and having to come to understand it and clean it up somewhat. I don't remember reading/hearing anyone say they actually like it. edit: Nice to hear it!

I do. I love hunting down bugs and leaving the code better than it was. I've done some memorable refactorings of terrible code. It feels weird to say I like it, but I kinda do.

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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This does not answer the question.

It could be argued that it does. The commenter states the parts of their experience that are relevant and extrapolates from that. As mortals, our experiences are limited. Having a good imagination and intuition allows us to extrapolate from these limited experiences to better understand the world we live in. Otherwise, discussions would be very limited and stilted indeed. Unless you never join in a discussion that yo…

My statement is that being bullied in school(I believe that is what the experience is, I cannot be sure) is not a relevant experience to being a child whose labor is being exploited systematically in a society whose colonization prevents better opportunities.

Being able to relate to things using personal experience is important. It is equally important to understand when an experience is distinctly different from our own and to be willing to intake new information, including recognizing nuances that causes seemingly-similar situations to become drastically different.

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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all of your stuff for at least the last month has been shadowbanned. idk why.

It seemed to start after sctb said "We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop." 37 days ago.

I think the mods and I just disagree with the line between "hate speech" and common sense, as exemplified here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18527203

Still, can't be mad, they did warn me.

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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Hi. I'll admit to getting a bit frustrated because I seem to need to repeat the same point over and over again, and the responses aren't addressing the point made. Yes, you need luck and opportunity to become Jackie Chan . But there's more ways to be successful than becoming Jackie Chan. He can inspire them to be themselves and not let their situations get them down. That's what is meant by "anyone can do it." Not an…

> But anybody can use the same inner tools that Chan did that got him famous, What inner tools were those? From the article, it seems that it was a willingness to do extreme, mortally-dangerous stunts? Is that the lesson people should take away–forget about being successful unless you're willing to constantly put your life on the line?

> it was a willingness to do extreme, mortally-dangerous stunts?

Something like that. It's up to you what you want to take from it. But inspiration is such that you might not be inspired to follow the example directly, but you can use the example to find some other kind of courage to display.

For example, your company may need someone to do some really dirty task that no one wants to do. If you step up to the plate, that creates an opening for something greater to happen.

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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> Great craftspeople have to kind of like the part of their craft that is unpleasant to 99% of the population Fixing bugs and refactoring. They have their perks.

These are two of my favourite things about programming! I wouldn't consider myself "great" or a "craftsperson" though. Maybe I should.

Refactoring is a pleasure for me IF AND ONLY IF there is a decent unit test/functional test suite for whatever I'm working on!

There's a funny perk to bughunting... the amount of time it can take is nondeterministic so you can take breaks during it (they help you find the root cause, anyway, by clearing your head) and nobody will complain. "I'm thinking about the bug! Backburner debugging!"

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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The lack of respect Chan gets in the west is a travesty IMO. His fight choreography is rooted in the traditions Chinese opera while being constantly fresh, playful and imaginative. He shows absolute technical mastery, but there is always a sense of child-like joy underpinning that mastery. The fact that his films are often regarded as frivolous and lightweight says something profound about what is valued in our cultu…

> lack of respect Chan gets in the west What? He's one of the biggest breakout stars from Hong Kong cinema in Western History. Is a household name, and starred in scores of movies during his career, including a 3 picture comedy/action movie series (Rush Hour), then went on to reboot a beloved 80's action story alongside the son of one of Hollywoods biggest names. He also had his own cartoon for a while. How the hell…

He's more of a caricature; following under the idea that Asian actors are always portrayed as comical Chan is someone you emulate when pretending to do some ridiculous silly kungfu fu move with your friends rather than appreciated as a seriously talented actor in his own right (anecdotally).

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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Finally read the article - the whole things reads like a rich guy making fun of a poor guy for even trying. "Yea, he made money, but he is still lower class, haw haw, pass the caviar." In reality, I think that's all an extension of the last paragraph, where the author projects his dislike of Chan's political views.

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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I did not make a mistake. I stand by my opinion as well as the accompanying rationale for making my conclusion. Here's the anatomy of your initial comment: 1. Statement and rhetorical question echoing the article's main message 2. A conclusion using a summary of the article. The article only has one main conclusion. Was that comment not an opinion or are you making comments that article summary bots make? Forgive me…

Yes, you made a mistake. No, I do not forgive you for jumping to conclusions, and no, I didn't give any opinion in my initial post or echo the main point of an article with many points. When asked, I told you what I found interesting about the article and whether I found the cost Jackie paid too high (I do). Did you even wonder whether I've read the autobiography the author of the piece is commenting on? (no, I have…

> and whether I found the cost Jackie paid too high (I do).

Then I clearly didn't make a mistake. This is the article's core idea and I disagree with it for reasons that I've already outlined in my previous comments.

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